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‘Doctor Who’ blogging: “The Pandorica Opens”

(all spoilers! don’t read till you’ve seen the episode! this is a love fest only — all complaints and bitching must come from a place of love / previous: “The Lodger”)
I knew it. I frakkin’ knew it.

I will admit that I didn’t see the whole “the Doctor’s not in there yet, the monsters are about to imprison him in it” thing about the Pandorica till the last moment, which was awesome, both the twist itself and the fact that I didn’t see it coming. But still: I knew it.

And yet I hope I’m still wrong about this whole season being totally in the Doctor’s head. Because if that’s not what’s going on, it’s going to be even so much cooler than that. It’ll be interesting if I’m right, but I don’t care whether I’m right or wrong as long as it’s cool. And as long as it’s honest about the Doctor’s character.

But it looks like that is what’s going on, and it looks like it might be honest to the Doctor’s character, at least as I’ve been thinking about him since New Who began. And some of the things I’ve been thinking are:

1) The Doctor doesn’t really know himself as well as he might, considering how old he is.

This episode is positively chock full of him saying things about whatever is in the Pandorica that, to our ears, sound like absolutely spot-on descriptions of the Doctor himself: a “goblin or a trickster or a warrior, a nameless terrible thing soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies, the most feared being in all the cosmos.” And “If the Pandorica is here, it contains the mightiest warrior in history.” How can he have lived the life he has lived without seeing himself in that? Or, conversely, perhaps he’s all too aware of himself as the most feared being in the cosmos but is trying to deny it to himself.

There is this, however: Not knowing who he is has always been a part of regeneration, the having to rediscover himself, so the sense that he’s been even less self-aware than you’d expect this season could be a hint that this is all a regeneration crisis. Or maybe not even a crisis per se, just a metaphoric, dreamlike illustration of what he goes through each time he regenerates.

2) The Doctor doesn’t really appreciate how others see him.

If this is all a dream, that means Amy may be invented too (see below). And if he doesn’t understand the awe in which we mere mortals hold him, that could explain why Amy seems so blase about the wonders he’s showing her: because they’re not quite as wondrous to him as they are to us. And of course his own life is not as wondrous to him as it seems to us.

And: “Think of the fear that went in to making this box… What could inspire that level of fear? Hello, you. Have we met?” Hello, you, Doctor. Have you met yourself?

3) The Doctor hates himself, especially after the horrors of the Time War, and now after losing everyone who has recently been important to him (Rose, Donna). And he think himself a monster, after all the terrible things he has done (even if they might have been in a good cause).

All his enemies, everyone who hates him for what he’s done to them, coming together to stop him from destroying the universe… it’s like all of his fears about himself coming to the fore. If the Doctor invented the Pandorica for himself, it’s a fear of himself that he’s talking about. And he’s running away from himself, perhaps. It’s like The Wizard of Oz: “And you were there, Daleks. And you, Cybermen. And you…”

“Rory”?

How could Rory be there after he died, and more? “You didn’t just die,” the Doctor tells Rory. “You were never born at all, you never existed. How can you be here?” Because he’s not there. Because it’s all in the Doctor’s head.

Are we supposed to think that that missing Van Gogh canvas of the TARDIS exploding has been hidden all these years (we’ve certainly never seen it) but later ends up in the Royal Collection, which has been long abandoned by 5145? Or is it all in the Doctor’s head?

Liz Ten is still Queen 2,000 years after the events of “The Beast Below.” (Yeah, she ages slowly, but that’s still really old.) Or is it all in the Doctor’s head?

“The Pandorica is a fairy tale, a legend. It can’t be real!” says the Doctor. And maybe it’s not real.

“You lot, working together, an alliance? How is that possible?” Cuz it’s all in his head.

“Sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen, and we call them miracles, and that’s a theory. Nine hundred years, I’ve never seen one yet.” And perhaps you still haven’t, Doctor.

And now he’s being dragged back toward reality, perhaps?

Or it’s his psyche trying to protect itself from reality?

Is the actual TARDIS actually going to explode? I still don’t think so. (“It might not be that literal,” says River — I think we should pay attention to that.) I still think the crack in the universe, which is supposedly caused by the TARDIS exploding, is the real world impinging on the Doctor’s consciousness, the real world trying to get through to him. And it will destroy this “world” we’ve been traveling around all season, of course, because this “world” is all in his imagination. As with Dorothy’s trip to Oz, however, some of it may have parallels in the Doctor’s real world, outside of his dream.

Like this: What if the Doctor is lying in a bed in a fever or a coma in seven-year-old Amelia Pond’s house? And has been since he stumbled out of the TARDIS? What if there is no crack in Amelia Pond’s wall, just a lonely little girl delighted to be looking after the strange sick man who fell into her life? What if she’s reading him books about the ancient Romans and about Pandora’s box while he sleeps? What if little-boy Rory is sometimes reading to him, too? (Or perhaps Amelia simply tells the Doctor stories about Rory.) Alternatively, the Doctor could have seen the books in Amelia’s house and incorporated them into his dreaming in the same way that he’s invented a grownup Amy and a grownup Rory.

What if the Doctor is Prisoner Zero, hidden away in a room in Amelia’s house while he recovers? (Credit to bronxbee for the Prisoner Zero notion, which I think is absolutely brilliant, and would be a wonderful mindfuck for viewers.)

Two things here work as possible counterclues to my theory. First, the Dalek saying “Only the Doctor can pilot the TARDIS.” The Doctor would know that River can fly the TARDIS, and so would, theoretically, not manufacture a complicated dream scenario for himself that would rely on only him being able to pilot the TARDIS. (On the other hand, though, if this is all a dream, it means that he has not, in fact, met the real River again since the Library, and would presumably not know whether or not River can fly the TARDIS, or what else she can and cannot do. In which case, never mind.) Second, would the Doctor manufacture a companion for himself, in Amy, who doesn’t remember the Dalek invasion and Canary Wharf and such? (On the other hand, perhaps he would prefer to imagine a more innocent human, someone untouched by the hell he’s brought to Earth in recent years. That could tie in to the whole “he hates himself and thinks he’s a monster” thing.)

For the most part, though, I think here we have all sorts of really poignant pointers in the direction of a Doctor lost in his own head and on the verge of finding himself again. When he says to Amy, ostensibly about Rory, “If something can be remembered, it can come back,” I get the feeling that he’s really talking about something besides Rory. When he admits to Amy that he lied about there being no reason he took her along with him (I knew it!), he says, “Your house: it was too big, too many empty rooms,” it sounds to me like he’s talking about himself and the TARDIS.

In any event, I do think we’re going to learn that the man behind the curtain is the Doctor himself. As River herself says, about the “good wizard” who tricked the whatever-it-is into the Pandorica, the good wizard always turns out to be the Doctor. The Doctor is putting himself into the Pandorica. Perhaps it’s the last defense mechanism his confused brain is throwing up in an attempt to keep the real world out.

Random thoughts on “The Pandorica Opens”:

• Ah, so the Van Gogh story is connected to the big arc…

• I so expected Han Solo to stick his head in here:

Or maybe Mal Reynolds…

• Nice juxtaposition between River’s bomb-disarming earring

and Amy’s engagement ring:

I don’t know if this will turn out to be anything more than just a nice edit. Although, maybe: Look what River will give up for the Doctor, and look what Amy won’t?

• So, on the oldest planet there’s a cliff of pure diamond on which there are letters 50 feet high spelling out a message from the dawn of time, the very first words in recorded history. It’s God’s final message to all his creation, right? “We apologize for the inconvenience”? No?

Ah: it’s a mash note for the Doctor. And he likes it:

(It suddenly occurred to me to wonder if… and yes, someone has indeed registered hellosweetie.com, but there’s nothing there yet.)

• Ah, so the Doctor taught River how to fly the TARDIS! I suspected she was only teasing him earlier when she implied that it was someone else who’d taught her… (Or else, not…)

• If the Doctor Who production people are looking for a good way to raise money for Children in Need or some other charity, they should start by auctioning off this prop painting:

I bet it would go for a small fortune. (I wonder who painted it…)

That

is definitely the real Stonehenge. I’ve been there, more than once, and I recognize the place like an old friend. (Oh, and this episode definitely represents a better Stonehenge apocalypse than the other recent one, which tried to foist a totally fake CGI British Columbia Stonehenge off on us.)

Also: The Stonehenge bits make me hear the voice of Nigel Tufnel in the back of my mind telling us about the Druids, and how no one knows who they were, or what they were doing…

• River is so totally frakkin’ awesome

that I am majorly girl-crushing on Alex Kingston to an embarrassing degree. I so hope River doesn’t get erased.

• Spiderhead Cyberman is very very creepy. Think I might have nightmares about that…

• Who is saying, “Silence will fall”? Why do I have a really bad feeling about this?

• This has got to mean something:

but it’s not ringing any bells with me.

• Great quotes:

“I said, ‘Off the wrist,’” –big blue guy in the 52nd-century bar (did someone forget that the 51st century would be the 5000s, not the 5100s?)

“Invasion of the hot Italians…” –Amy (describing the Roman occupations of ancient Britain)

“Hail Caesar!” –Roman soldier
“Hi.” –the Doctor
“Welcome to Britain. We are honored by your presence.” –Roman soldier
“Well, you’re only human. Arise, Roman person.” –the Doctor

“Never underestimate a Celt.” –the Doctor

“Oh, Doctor, why do I let you out?” –River

(next: Episode 13: “The Big Bang”)


MPAA: not rated

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  • Laurel

    I’m a late comer to the whole Doctor Who phenomenon, having watched my first episode EVER when it premiered this year on BBC America. Even so, I’ve caught up on the new (2005+) series and even Torchwood, and I couldn’t wait for the next episodes, so I began internet-ifying them. (Oh the shame!)

    This episode blew my mind. Matt Smith was fantastic, the Rory reveals were amazing, even though he didn’t grow on me so much as a character, and I nearly cried at the end when the Doctor is getting emotional about not being able to stop the Tardis because he’s not piloting it, someone else is…

    Then I headed straight for your site, ma’am, because I find your recaps engaging and amusing, and what do you do? You throw the Prisoner Zero idea at me!

    *ducks, still gets hit*

    I love it. LOVE it. That would be so ridiculously awesome.

    And Matt looked so old to me in this episode…

    Thanks for your awesome recap!

  • FrankS

    MaryAnn – Do you watch the Doctor Who Confidential show that goes with each episode? This week’s episode had a lot of interesting bits regarding Stonehenge.

  • Brandon

    Does anyone else find it odd that the Cloister bells never rang when the Tardis was going to explode, or at any time during the episode? They did in the episode “Turn Left” And they will always ring when there is danger to the Tardis or the Doctor. The Cloister bells sound like a gong in a tub of water. And is it just me, or did the voice in the Tardis saying “Silence will fall” sound a lot like Davros? That’s what I originally thought when I saw the burn marks on the ground outside Amy’s house. Davros, but then I saw two of them. Maybe they’re Daleks. Who knows.

  • ““I said, ‘Off the wrist,’” –big blue guy in the 52nd-century bar (did someone forget that the 51st century would be the 5000s, not the 5100s?)”

    Anyone else worried about Captain Jack now? A vortex manipulator cut off of someone’s wrist? And that bar bears a striking resemblance to the one Jack was last seen in at the end of “The End of Time (Part 2)”

  • Will River Song replace Amy Pond as Maryann Johanson’s Bias Meter girlcrush?

    I shall watch eagerly and with interest.

  • Lioness

    Anyone else worried about Captain Jack now? A vortex manipulator cut off of someone’s wrist? And that bar bears a striking resemblance to the one Jack was last seen in at the end of “The End of Time (Part 2)”

    Yeah…that was my first thought as well.
    I also noticed the 51st/52nd century error.

    Dr Who in general (or just Stephen Moffat…) seems to have a fixation with the 51st century…it was where they were in Girl in the Fireplace. It’s where both Jack and River are from. I haven’t found any other unrelated ones yet, but I’m sure they’re there.

  • Ken

    I like that the screen on River’s device rotates to match the orientation of how she’s viewing it, much like an iPod.

    It occurred to me that, if all of this is in the Doctor’s head, perhaps it’s happening after Amy knocked him out with the cricket bat in Eleventh Hour.

    I’ll have to watch this again to find out if they answer this, but I don’t recall an answer as to how this scenario was pulled from Amy’s head

  • Max

    *River will use her vortex manipulator and save the Doctor; the Doctor will use the vortex manipulator and repair the cracks, and along the way, stop in on Amy in Flesh and Stone and ask her to remember something that was said when she was 7.

    *Loved the Doctor’s big bluff; looked like he was emceeing a monster-palooza.

    *Liz 10 must now be REALLY REALLY old.

    *What happened to Bracewell after the war?

    So many other questions.

  • cretinbob

    What was left in Pandora’s Box?
    Remember that above all else…..

    \was it wrong that I burst into tears when I saw Rory and again at the ending?

  • Okay, not addressing the whole “is it a dream, is it all in his head” business (which would disappoint me unless it was handled in a way so phenomenal I can’t conceive of it). I am assuming for now that what we are seeing is really happening in the Who-verse.

    And it’s all about Rory.

    One of Rory’s lines in “The Eleventh Hour” covers his own existence pretty well: “But he wasn’t real. He was -never- real.”

    And so he wasn’t.

    Rory has been a Nestene reconnaisance drone ever since Amy met him. He has been absolutely devoted to her all their lives because that is what he was programmed to be.

    “Learn all you can about this little girl who met the Doctor, and to whom he promised to return. Record everything about her (even her favorite stories and school subjects). And through it all, you will have no idea you are anything but a lovestruck boy, because it will be the perfect disguise and you will believe your own cover story. We will recover the data you collect and construct around her a puzzle the Doctor will be unable to resist.”

    And how did they recover him? Well, when their probe became damaged, The Alliance reached -through- the cracks and retrieved it. That is why we saw no tendrils reaching for anyone else who disappeared (like those falling angels, for instance). What reason would a non-sentient crack have to reach out and take what was apparently just a dead human? The Alliance, however, needed to recover their drone.

    Once they had their data, they reused the shop dummy part in their trap (Very Green of them. Never just throw away any plastic!).

    Seems like the new program didn’t entirely erase all the old data on the hard drive, though… And this could well be how Auton Rory will save the universe.

    We’ll see next week.

    (And yes I will gush that this was an Awesome episode!)

  • Ide Cyan

    On the cliff face, the first two characters below “Hello Sweetie” are the Greek letter Theta and Sigma — ie, the Doctor’s nickname at the academy. And the last four might be read as “Song” written backwards.

  • If only the Doctor can fly the Tardis, and we know River kills the Doctor, could it be that River Song is actually…the Doctor? Especially with all her talk about spoilers…

  • Thank you for reminding me about River’s acquisition of the Vortex Manipulator. Now we know how she escapes the TARDIS next week. One does get caught up in the whole ending of the episode, that you forget how everyone got there…

  • “…and we know River kills the Doctor”

    Do we? :)

  • @Brandon: I asked the same thing to the room at large, but was shot down. Still, it was quite startling, wasn’t it?

  • Mo

    Slightly unrelated to what you wrote, but I just got this brainwave reading that… I have a bunch of puzzle pieces and they aren’t fitting right and the answer feels like it should be so obvious but I’m missing something. I think among the many other amazing things this episode did, it gives a glimpse of what it’s like to live in the Doctor’s brain- “Missing something obvious, Rory, something big, something right smack in front of me, I can feel it.” He’s been missing things like Rory all season while his brain whirled away one other things. Amy even more so if she is the artefact of her entire family being eaten by the crack. And now we’re presented with the same thing- Moffat has been plotting like JJ Abrams likes to: the cracks were a big obvious flashing distraction from what we were really supposed to notice while he did some slight of hand in the background. I called some things but the things that turned out to matter so far weren’t even on my or anyone’s radar that I’ve seen. There are all these patterns and symmetries and foreshadowings and they mean something. This whole season has been about mirror images. The Tardis and Amy’s house: the same door, all the rooms, the same colour and facing each other. The Time Lord and the Dream Lord and staring at each other in the Tardis console. Bracewell and Auton Rory- one duplicate could overcome his programming with the original’s love and Amy’s coaxing, the other couldn’t. The Doctor and the Star Whale. Amy and Van Gogh, so alike they could be family (I thought he was her father in the first season previews).River is flying the Tardis better than the Doctor and saying that someone else taught her to fly it, and then younger River screwing up flying the Tardis and telling the Doctor that of course she’s flying perfectly, he taught her how to fly it. Rory can’t believe the Doctor could be real, the Doctor can’t believe the Pandorica could be real- they were both just stories. The perception filter in the spare room, and the perception filter in the non-existent second floor. Rory died in the dream world and then he died in ‘real life’ the sameish way. The Tardis just blew up the sameish way the Doctor blew it up in the dream world. River in a prison at the beggining, and the Doctor in a prison at the end. “There’s one thing you never put in a trap” and then a trap that worked just now. And now the Doctor as both the good wizard and the trickster in myths- he’s flipped sides with his enemies, with them coming up with a clever plan to stop him so that they can save the universe for the good of everyone. Even Amy and River are both reflections of two sides of the Doctor’s personality in some way- similar to him, but different.

    It’s all very ‘Alice Through the Looking Glass’ now. (Rather than Peter Pan like at the beggining.) We keep being shown things we’ve already seen but all twisted up. It’s got to mean something, but I have no idea what, just a vague feeling I’m going to be kicking myself when they tell me. Gah, and just when I had gotten my head to stop whirling after yesterday.

  • MaryAnn

    MaryAnn – Do you watch the Doctor Who Confidential show that goes with each episode? This week’s episode had a lot of interesting bits regarding Stonehenge.

    I haven’t seen a single one of them, actually.

    Anyone else worried about Captain Jack now?

    I thought that too. But it would be way too obvious. There must be LOTS of handsome young Time Agents bopping around spacetime.

    Will River Song replace Amy Pond as Maryann Johanson’s Bias Meter girlcrush?

    Yes. :->

  • Mo

    -Will River Song replace Amy Pond as Maryann Johanson’s Bias Meter girlcrush?

    -Yes. :->

    Is it really true they ditched her on ER because of her age…six years ago?

    I hope revenge is as sweet for her as it looks like from the outside.

    I want to be River when I grow up. :3 (Well, apart from the prison thing…)

  • Martin

    @ innpchan:

    Nice theory.

    But Amy didn’t remember the Daleks, did she?
    And MAJ noted that the Silurian scan of Amy was different to the humans.

  • wilfred

    In the 11th hour the doctor says something like “I am most definatly the mad doctor in the box”. the question is which box was he refering to?

    this would fit in with the “its all in his head” thing as in the 11th hour he was basically saying that he was in the pandorica already?

  • Actually he says “a mad man with a box”.

  • Keith

    Doctor: “You graffitied the oldest face in the universe.”
    Riversong: “You wouldn’t answer your phone.”

    Had lots of the same thoughts as MaryAnn. The regeneration dream makes a pretty good Occam’s Razor. With all the Doctor’s enemies in league against him, I sense a big reset coming, which will happen if he is just about to wake up to reality.

    As for the Amy link, I suspect the Doctor may have formed some sort of psychic link with an adult Amy. I suspect all the stuff with Amy as a child was all imagined. Amy has memories of being a child, so the Doctor can work them into his fantasy. Maybe Amy did have a crack in her wall as a child, and it scared her, but was only just a plain old crack. It’s the Doctor’s imagination that made it was it is in the story arc. I thought about it happening while the Doctor was knocked out the cricket bat, but then all the interaction with young Amy would have taken place and Prisoner Zero would have been real, which seems in doubt now.

    Talked with someone this weekend who couldn’t believe they would dare make the season some sort of dream. I asked him, “What, that they would make the events in an imaginary show turn out to be imaginary?” He didn’t have an answer. I’ve known lots of people who have issues separating out different levels of reality in their own heads.

    It’s going to be a rather long week waiting to find out the answers next weekend. As others have pointed out, happily, it is just one week.

  • rachel

    Having everything be an imaginary world in the Doctor’s head is an intriguing idea but I have my doubts about that. Especially because for this whole season to have been a dream that means that Amelia never grew up and they have already said that Amy (Karen) will be back next season. I guess technically they cold have the Doctor travel to Amelia’s future but that doesn’t seem very likely.

    I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen and if it does turn out to be imaginary I will bow down with grace but it just doesn’t seem likely … to me, at least.

    BUT then again, how is he supposed to get out of the pandorica?

    Ack this show!

  • PJK

    Ah, but maybe the Pandorica is what keeps him safe while the universe is collapsing around his ears!

    Maybe he has to rebuild the universe after the collapse and see to it that everything is set back the way it is supposed to be.

  • Lioness

    Just had a thought…do you think the strange/creepy face on the wall in The Lodger may be the owner of the mysterious voice?

  • Hey everybody!
    I am new to blogging I’ve never posted anything in my life. This last episode had me panting for more and looking for some answers. So i went to the internet and found some great theories! Anyway here are some ideas I’ve found to be interesting..

    There are a few awesome theories that the name Amy Pond is an Anagram! Amelia Jessica Pond is her full name (The Beast Below) and some anagrams for that name are “no maid escapes jail “and also ” o escaped main jails “(read zero for the o) and even this theory “i escape mondas jail’ Mondas was the twin planet to Earth that the original Cybermen came from…” ahh woah!!
    Maybe she is prisoner 0?
    ehh I stretch I know but how fun is that?

    This led me to this link that is definitely bending my mind a lil bit :) ck it out.
    http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Pandora

    What ever it is, I can’t wait to find out… I have really enjoying the new series very much!

  • posted by PJK (Mon Jun 21 10, 2:04AM)

    “Ah, but maybe the Pandorica is what keeps him safe while the universe is collapsing around his ears!

    Maybe he has to rebuild the universe after the collapse and see to it that everything is set back the way it is supposed to be.”

    that is a good one… the next episode is called “the big bang” or something right?

  • Beth

    Do you think it’s the trickster who’s doing all this ? The box I’d very like the box which protects you maybe he wants the doctor hidden so he can change history maybe Rory made a deal with the tricker and that he is is working for him

  • Lisa

    Hello Stonehenge!

    There’s one thing you never put in a trap, if you’re clever, if you’re smart, if you value your continuing existence, if you ever want to live to see tomorrow, there is one thing you never, ever put in a trap – me!

    Do the smart thing!

    who’s blowing up the Tardis? what’s upstairs? imaginary 3rd floor? why’s Amy’s house got all those rooms (a swimming pool in the library?) has it been a 2 part finale or a 3 part episode finale?

    who’s the big bad – must be pretty clever to not only have manipulated the dr to get him where they want him but also all his enemies.

    is that Capt Jack’s hand or are they all incredibly handsome? I think it could be Jack’s – I mean his will just grow back. Also – he might have gone back to apologise.

    Any else think the Dr activated the Pandorica by touching it? (It remined me of Mickey freeing the Daleks in Doomsday) Perhaps it only started to open then. About 30 seconds after that, I knew they were going to stick him in it.

    Nothing is ever forgotten, not completely. And if something can be remembered, it can come back.

    that is important – what did he say to her when she was young?

    The Doctor: Remember what I told you when you were seven?
    Amy: What did you tell me?
    T DR: No. That’s not the point. You have to remember.

    she has to remember him – that’s all? Anyone feel she’s paying too high a price to be a companion?

    River Song is so fucking rock
    She is so goddamn rock
    She is so motherfucking rock

  • Lisa

    Anyone else think that Rambaldi is behind the whole thing (that’s what the mark on the grass reminds me of!)

    Glad River Song is your new girl crush

    loved the entirely deadpan Rory/Dr meeting from I missing something that’s right in front of me to

    How are you good yeah good well roman

    @Keith
    “Talked with someone this weekend who couldn’t believe they would dare make the season some sort of dream. I asked him, “What, that they would make the events in an imaginary show turn out to be imaginary?” He didn’t have an answer. I’ve known lots of people who have issues separating out different levels of reality in their own heads”.

    If the whole thing is a dream that’s a copout – I’m feeling uneasy about a belief in the Dr finale – didn’t we do this in Last of the Timelords already – then it’s unfair. You can’t ask us to care about the characters and be invested in what happens to them (which keeps us watching every week, remember) and then go haha it’s all a dream and it’s a tv show anyway. It’s just rude. It’s like spitting in the face of the audience and saying you’re so stupid to swallow this crap. Moffat loves Dr Who too much to do that.

    I want to be surprised and gobsmacked by the ending. I’m smelling a Torchwood Season 2 ending which could be cool. If it takes a time traveller to open the Pandorica, could it take another one to open it again?

  • Jackie

    There must be some reality to the season, as River mentioned the Crash of the Byzantium to Ten, so these events must have existed one way or the other.

    I was surprised when it opened and he wasn’t already inside it! I though they were going to open in and see himself in there, having been incarcerated for however long.

    All of these beings who were terrified of him and who (it seems) didn’t actually dare to kill him. There must have been some interesting discussions between these unlikely allies as to just how uncomfortable he was to be. A modest bit of cushioning perhaps? Or shoould we go for spikes? Reasonably comfortable chair, or one which will torment him for eternity? Will they leave the light on for him in the box?

    Suddenly I’m reminded of the Curse of the Fatal Death where the Doctor had gone back in time, had a word with the architect and replaced the spikes of doom with the sofa of reasonable comfort…

  • Lioness

    So, in the blogging of The Eleventh Hour, Mary-ann guessed that Myth computers would play a large role in the season. What if they’re a subtle reference to the myth of the Pandorica, and all related ‘it’s all a dream/figment of Amy’s imagination’ things?

  • soru

    There’s a line in the episode where the Doctor says he is extending the shields inside on the Pandorica to cover outside. This doesn’t do anything in the episode, but could be the key to next week.

    What if the shields, the strongest possible made by any technology in the Whoniverse, protect the whole solar system? The rest of the universe goes bang, leaving just Earth, the Sun and so on.

    Time then passes until little Amy grows up in a world with no stars.

    And no Daleks…

  • Kassia

    I always enjoy your Doctor Who blogs, however, I really disagree with your “it’s all a dream” theory. Wasn’t it established that the Romans were from Amy’s imagination? As was the Pandorica, sort of? We don’t know why, but the Doctor told Amy her life didn’t make sense. I don’t know. I just think it would be a massive cop out if they took the all a dream route.

    Also, everyone’s acting in this episode was great, but Matt Smith was just tops again, especially with the end scene when they had him strapped into the Pandorica and he was pleading with them to let him out. It’s really really scary to see the Doctor genuinely scared like that. I don’t get scared by the monsters in Who; it’s the episodes like Midnight and Turn Left that get me, and that last scene had that scariness to it.

  • MaryAnn

    SPOILERS FOR AMERICAN AND BRITISH ‘LIFE ON MARS’ BELOW.

    Talked with someone this weekend who couldn’t believe they would dare make the season some sort of dream. I asked him, “What, that they would make the events in an imaginary show turn out to be imaginary?” He didn’t have an answer. I’ve known lots of people who have issues separating out different levels of reality in their own heads.

    I can understand why some people would get upset at this idea. We want our fictional structures to feel real, otherwise they don’t work as cohesive stories. And if absolutely anything can happen — up to and including a reset button that wipes out everything that has come before — then why should we trust such a story? Why should we invest time in it?

    But the “it was all a dream” story doesn’t have be a cheat or a copout. Does *The Wizard of Oz* feel like a cheat or a copout? Does the British *Life on Mars*? No, they don’t, because their dream worlds were cohesive themselves, and because the dreams weren’t just dreams but riveting journeys through the psyches of their characters. The dreams are extensions of the “real” world of these stories, not negations of them. And there’s no reset button. When you reach the end of these stories, you feel that you know their protagonists extremely well, that you learned things about they that you could not have learned via a more traditional narrative in which they were NOT dreaming.

    On the other hand, however, the American *Life on Mars* is an *enormous* cheat and an unforgiveable copout, because it negates everything that came before. Anything you thought you knew about American Sam Tyler from everything up till the moment the dream-status is revealed turns out to be total bullshit. And we learn that we never knew the real Sam and never will.

    Now, if this season of *Doctor Who* turns out to be all in the Doctor’s head (and I’m probably wrong about that! and that’s fine!), I fully expect that it will be akin to *Oz* and UK-*LoM.* It’s not going to be the Doctor waking up and saying, “Oh, what a terrible dream” and then getting on with his day. It will turn out to have been an experience that let us get to know the Doctor better than we ever have before.

    Look: If it is all a dream and it ends up feeling like a cheat, I’ll be screaming the loudest. But until it’s demonstrated otherwise, I’m gonna trust that Moffat could pull it off and make it work.

  • Barb

    I’m not exactly sure where SM is going yet with the two-parter. As usually everything is thrown in but the kitchen sink in these two episodes. The pre-credits had a Star Wars scene from the cantena (stop with using movie references already – it totally ruined one finale with echoes of Flash Gordon).

    Good cliffhanger at least with the Doctor entombs in the Pandorica. Not much of a cliffhanger with River since we know she becomes Professor and has yet to met her Doctor. As to references that she is a future Doctor, doubt it when one of her last comments in the episode is ‘my love’.

    If it is all a dream brought on from the regeneration from 10 to 11, this has already been done a few years ago with a Big Finish audio with Doctor 5 going through four seasons while he regenerates from 4 to 5.

    The only downside is we are still gonna be stuck with Amy next year be it as a regular or not. Hopefully River will make more appearances. Reminds me of Romana (or even Liz Shaw) with an equality to the Doctor’s intellect.

  • “Cardinal Fang! Break out… THE COMFY CHAIR!”

    /sting music

  • Lisa

    ^so why so upset at the end of Lost!^

    I just don’t want to feel cheated – as a writer – if you set up the rules of your universe, you have to follow them. I don’t want to be cheated, I do have faith in Moffat. However, he did break the rules of his own universe at the end of Flesh and Stone, which does worry me a bit. (the oh now it doesn’t matter if you don’t look at the angels which ruins Blink!) But, as you say, it depends how it’s done.

  • Lisa

    we still have to find out WHO River Song killed – that’ll do for another year!

    I think Karen’s coming back next year – might be a red herring they’ve lied before. She has no life to go back to so hopefully we’ll see Rory again next year.

    River’s a scene stealer though – it’s best that she comes in for a few episodes, blows the Dr away and leaves him guessing.

  • Mark

    First time I’ve even commented here… great site btw.

    I’ve been bothered from the start about how River will, practically, fit into the future of DW. Brilliant idea as it is to meet someone living a different portion of the Doctor’s own timeline, she has always struck me as a hostage to fortune. One day, her (it would seem) lengthy relationship with the Doctor will have to “happen”. I can’t see this occuring within the show itself. Which would leave A) always leaving it as something that will happen to a future Doctor “one day” (unsatisfactory), B) Something that is referred to as happening between episodes (a la Queen Bess, and also unsatisfactory)… or C) something happens that totally ‘deletes’ her future time with the Doctor, at least from his perspective. I’m wondering if whatever happens to save the day next week will see Option C happening.

  • Jim Mann

    But the “it was all a dream” story doesn’t have be a cheat or a copout. Does *The Wizard of Oz* feel like a cheat or a copout? Does the British *Life on Mars*? No, they don’t, because their dream worlds were cohesive themselves, and because the dreams weren’t just dreams but riveting journeys through the psyches of their characters.

    Yes, in fact the end of the Wizard of Oz does feel like a bit of a cheat, partially made up by their being clever about the characters. But a cheat nonetheless.

    As for Life on Mars, the ending is ambiguous. If you simply watch the show, while the most likely explanation is that it’s all in Sam’s head, there is room to interpret it in other ways.

    A key reason that dream endings feel like cheats is that, while we watch a show, as part of our willing suspension of disbelief, we accept the show as real and the characters as real. For this season, for example, we accept the fact that the Doctor and Amy interacted with Vincent van Gogh and actually impacted him. If the season turns out to be a dream, that’s no longer “real.”

    On the other hand, we can accept other kinds of resets. Donna fixing the world in Turn Left didn’t negate Turn Left, because that universe wasn’t simply a dream, but an alternate universe that was changed. I think we can accept such a reset here — that is, if the Doctor or River does something that restores the universe and somehow undoes some things — but I think an “all in his head” ending would be a big letdown to what has been quite a good season so far.

  • Jeremy

    I see what you mean about this season being a dream, however I don’t think Moffat will go that route.

    The burn marks on the grass look like the shape of the thruster things on the bottom of a dalek to me.

    Also, here is a theory for you; what if Amy is an android too? Perhaps Amy’s parents and indeed Amy herself were killed when the Daleks took earth at the end of the last season and then she was created by the Daleks which is why she doesn’t remember any of those events.

    If this season is to be believed as real, then the Daleks have predicted the Doctor’s every move to perfection even going so far to create a legend based on Amy’s childhood fantasies to trap him.

    One question though, have the Daleks always been able to predict him like this? and if so why have they always failed to kill him? or was this the the culmination of a greater plan? A plan by Davros perhaps? Did anyone else think that the voice saying ” silence will fall” belonged to him?

  • Lisa

    that’s why it’s got to be someone else pulling their strings and the dr’s. Or that could be completely wrong.

    What I don’t understand is, we have fairly definitve proof that the Dr has gone back and spoken to Amy at certain points perhaps when she was 7, certaintly in Flesh and Stone – but when did he do that – when he was released from the Pandorica or before he was put in? – both have problems if before how did he know, why did he go into the box, why did he not just stop the Tardis blowing up beforehand?

    If after, the fundamental question is, how does anyone know to get him out? how can anyone rescue him?

    There are, for sure, 2 drs running around so will one of them have to be killed? I’d like to see Octavian back for that!

  • we have fairly definitve proof that the Dr has gone back and spoken to Amy…

    There are, for sure, 2 drs running around…

    It’s a pretty sound theory, but I don’t know if I’m ready to say things like “Definitive proof” or “For sure” yet. The data isn’t THAT conclusive yet. :)

  • Baz Watkins

    Here’s my two pennies.

    I think this whole series is in little Amy Pond’s imagination, whilst she is waiting for the doctor to return.

  • I think this whole series is in little Amy Pond’s imagination, whilst she is waiting for the doctor to return.

    How would Amy imagine the Cybermen or Daleks? Or her own death?

  • Ken

    I’m wondering if whatever happens to save the day next week will see Option C (C) something happens that totally ‘deletes’ her future time with the Doctor, at least from his perspective) happening.

    Now this is interesting. What if the resolution involves River sacrificing herself to the crack to release the Doctor. Maybe the thing that Amy has to remember, in order to bring her back, is River. It would explain why the Dcotor went back to speak to Amy after the problem of the Pandorica is resolved. It seems clear to me that the Doctor is/had been crying in that scene in Flesh & Stone. He’d clearly lost something close to him.

    I think this whole series is in little Amy Pond’s imagination, whilst she is waiting for the doctor to return.

    This occurred to me as well

    How would Amy imagine the Cybermen or Daleks? Or her own death?

    Well, there was Canary Wharf, even if she claims in the narrative not to remember them. It doesn’t explain her knowledge of the Silurians though.

  • JohnnyInc

    I am still not convinced it is in his head. Seems like you can use the it’s-all-a-dream plot device for any show… like Dallas (ugh). But it might be something close to a dream. Like things remembered can be real again. Like in Eleventh hour when Prisoner Zero used Amy’s memories to find a new disguise but the Doctor made her think of his true form. Or in the Angel episode where Amy thought her arm was turning to stone but the Doctor made her snap out of it by biting her. The Alliance made the Pandorica by using her memories, maybe her memories are the key to saving the day.

    How could Rory be there after he died, and more?

    They used Amy’s memories to construct the Roman solider-bots and Rory was still hidden in there somewhere.

    Are we supposed to think that that missing Van Gogh canvas of the TARDIS exploding has been hidden all these years (we’ve certainly never seen it) but later ends up in the Royal Collection, which has been long abandoned by 5145?

    Churchill last had the painting when he was on the phone with River. He could have left instruction to put it into the Royal Collection at a later time.

    Liz Ten is still Queen 2,000 years after the events of “The Beast Below.” (Yeah, she ages slowly, but that’s still really old.)

    She may be very old. A slightly aged Captain Jack is probably running around somewhere too.

    “The Pandorica is a fairy tale, a legend. It can’t be real!” says the Doctor. And maybe it’s not real.

    It isn’t. It was pulled from Amy’s favorite book.

    “You lot, working together, an alliance? How is that possible?” Cuz it’s all in his head.

    Or it was because they were all affected by the cracks in time and thought they were saving the universe by working together and stopping a common enemy.

    I still think the “Doctor in the TARDIS” phrase has been a clue all season long. River managed to travel through time without the TARDIS and it turns out she has a time agents wrist device/time vortex manipulator. Maybe the Doctor will end up with it and travel to Amy in the 2nd weeping Angel episode.

    So the end of the episode has the Doctor trapped and nobody to save him. Except River… and a Rory robot just outside the chamber. Maybe a heart broken Rory and River in the TARDIS are all the Doctor needs.

  • DaveTM

    OK here’s my Rory theory that I haven’t seen.

    If they are modeling the Roman’s off of Amy’s memories and they’ve shown that Rory is in her head somewhere. (She did end up remembering him) than it makes sense that he show up as one of the plastic recreations. Rory was real until he was eaten by the crack the Roman Rory is a recreation plucked from Amy’s mind and formed with plastic.

    Personally this episode has made me think that the dream thing is not going to happen. It’s much more likely that instead the Doctor will be seeding Amy with a memory in her past that will therefore be present in what the alliance of villians have created letting him escape and save himself, Amy,the TARDIS and River along with the rest of reality.

  • DaveTM

    JohnnyInc. – beat me by one minute. Great minds think alike I guess.

  • McFeely

    I like reading these blogs to get everyones on what may happen, its fun for me.

    I personally like the Omega theory I read on another blog(see The Three Doctors)

    The dream theory has merit though. Will be fun to see how this plays out next Saturday.

    I think Captain Jack will show up sometime next season the Time Agent remark was funny and they knew everyone would think of Harkness.

  • It’ll be interesting to see Jack in the new show (if it happens, that is). He’d be the only “companion” I’m aware of to have met three Doctors, aside from Sarah Jane.

  • McFeely

    It’ll be interesting to see Jack in the new show (if it happens, that is). He’d be the only “companion” I’m aware of to have met three Doctors, aside from Sarah Jane.

    I read that the 11th Doctor is supposed show up on the Sarah Jane Adventures. So she’ll get to keep her record if that happens. Back to Jack he has stated he’d like to do more Who, so we shall see.

  • Ken

    It’ll be interesting to see Jack in the new show (if it happens, that is). He’d be the only “companion” I’m aware of to have met three Doctors, aside from Sarah Jane.

    I guess that depends on how one classifies the Brigadier.

  • McFeely

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2010/04_april/19/sj_adventures.shtml

    Link to the page about SJA and the 11th Doctor

    Jo will meet a new Doctor as well it seems :D

  • BIPA

    (First time poster- hello!)

    As to references that she is a future Doctor, doubt it when one of her last comments in the episode is ‘my love’.

    It occurs to me, perhaps she was addressing the TARDIS.

  • I don’t totally believe in the theory that one character will end up being another character. To do that, the writer basically “deletes” a character. If River Song and the Doctor are one and the same, we won’t see River Song again. I can see Moffat removing Rory at the end of the series, but not River.

  • Alli

    A few things:

    For Corey Tamas: I finally saw the chemistry and spark between Rory and Amy this episode. Both Arthur and Karen were amazing. It was heart breaking, and wonderful. Much, much better than Rory’s death. Also, Rory was pretty hot in his Roman outfit.

    “Look at me, I’m a target.” Funniest line of the episode.

    Amy wore jeans everyone. Skinny jeans, but jeans none-the-less.

    What can I say about River that hasn’t already been mentioned? She’s awesome. Pure awesome. But I have to wonder if her relationship with the Doctor really is healthy? Maybe the reason he teaches her to fly is because he knows she’s going to fly the exploding TARDIS. Is he using her?

    So, in the blogging of The Eleventh Hour, Mary-ann guessed that Myth computers would play a large role in the season. What if they’re a subtle reference to the myth of the Pandorica, and all related ‘it’s all a dream/figment of Amy’s imagination’ things?

    I was going to mention this as well. Who or what is Myth, and why haven’t we seen it since the first episode? Is that who is controlling the TARDIS?

    I think whoever is controlling the TARDIS now, was controlling it the night the Doctor regenerated. Someone purposely made him land there. I think Amy is a real person, but someone made her into the tragic little girl she is (Myth?) in order to trap the doctor. In other words, someone killed or hid her family from her, and now her life doesn’t make sense. How can the Doctor ignore a child that doesn’t make sense? It’s a long, thought out plan, so it has to come from someone who knows the Doctor well (The Master, other Time Lords, the Doctor himself?). We’ve already seen the Doctor as the villain once this season, and hasn’t an evil version of the Doctor been put on trial in the past (a classic Who fan needs to correct/confirm that).

  • DaveTM

    Alli – Actually you are probably thinking about when an evil version of the Doctor was responsible for the Doctor being put on trial. It was in the Colin Baker “Trial of a Timelord” story.

    Also my biggest reason for why this season isn’t a dream. They wouldn’t have remade the Daleks and spent all that money on making new ones if they were going to do away with them that quickly.

    Also we’ve seen alot of things that aren’t happening where and when the Doctor is and if it’s his dream we wouldn’t see these things like the scene where River Song goes to get Van Gogh’s painting from Liz 10.

    Also whatever the Doctor says to Amy when her eyes are closed is part of what saves her life. He could very well be crying because Amy’s been shot and this is his attempt to save her life. Or I could be a pessimist and it could be his way of saying good bye.

  • Christian

    To Alli:

    Trial of a Time Lord, the classic 6th Doctor season-long story arc, featured a character known as the Valeyard. The Master, in that episode, described the Valeyard as the culmination of the Doctor’s darkness, somewhere between his 12th and 13th regenerations. I know many speculated about the Valeyard earlier this season when it became known that River killed a man – the best man she’d ever known, a hero to many.

    This season has had so many throwback references to the past while advancing the story and character of the Doctor. It’s been a terrific ride, and I would love to see the potential of the Valeyard recognized at some point.

  • Liz Ten is still Queen 2,000 years after the events of “The Beast Below.” (Yeah, she ages slowly, but that’s still really old.) Or is it all in the Doctor’s head?

    Prolong? Sorry, wrong Queen. ;)

    Also my biggest reason for why this season isn’t a dream. They wouldn’t have remade the Daleks and spent all that money on making new ones if they were going to do away with them that quickly.

    Even if i still don’t really like the iDaleks, i agree.

    This season has had so many throwback references to the past

    There are some theories of who is the really big bad, the http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheManBehindTheMan behind the alliance ranging from Omega to the Rani.

  • Martin

    @Alli:

    Doctor really is healthy? Maybe the reason he teaches her to fly is because he knows she’s going to fly the exploding TARDIS. Is he using her?

    Absolutely. It’s a complicated relationship. Whilst there may be an attraction between the Doctor and River, their relationship seems to be built on a need to prevent a paradox.
    After all the speculation as to why the Doctor would give River his Sonic, it turns out it was to save her. He now knows that he’ll have to teach River to fly the TARDIS so it’s not going to be a case of “you now what? I really care about you and I want to teach you how to fly my TARDIS”, it’s more a case of “I know you’ll need to fly my TARDIS so I need to teach you this”.

    The Doctor’s only going to get close to her because he knows he has to. Wibbley Wobbley, Timey Wimey.

    Is the trust (I’m disinclined to call it love, even if it’s just platonic) between the two (or at least from the Doctor’s side of things) organic or is it him going through ‘the motions’?

    I’d love to see an episode where River first meets the Doctor. That has to be awkward.

  • Lisa

    I think the Ood’s behind it all!

    The Dr may have known that something was wrong with Amy from the start. Remember the look he gave the crack on the screen in the Tardis in ep 1- it worried him so maybe he knew she was a trap but he’s going to use her as his escape too. It might explain why she saved the day a couple of times at the start of the series – could he have saved a bit of himself in her?

    It would be funny if the third last time she sees him is his first – can’t wait to see that!

    I am actually going to miss the finale asnd there’s just no ifs or and about it – it’s going to be physically impossible for me to see it. Shit. avoiding all spoilers before and after then.

  • Alli

    To Alli:

    Trial of a Time Lord, the classic 6th Doctor season-long story arc, featured a character known as the Valeyard. The Master, in that episode, described the Valeyard as the culmination of the Doctor’s darkness, somewhere between his 12th and 13th regenerations. I know many speculated about the Valeyard earlier this season when it became known that River killed a man – the best man she’d ever known, a hero to many.

    This season has had so many throwback references to the past while advancing the story and character of the Doctor. It’s been a terrific ride, and I would love to see the potential of the Valeyard recognized at some point.

    I think that’s my favorite theory about who River killed yet. Thanks for all the help/clarification you guys!

  • Ryan H

    I suspect that this whole thing is one big complicated time loop caused by the Doctor’s attempt to close the crack (that ate Amy’s family) back in the first episode. That went wrong and as such everything that happened since is a ripple spreading out.

    I think it’s all going to end up with the Doctor and Rory doing a desperate patch job to try and put the bits and pieces back together. Bits chopped out and added in and cut and welded together to try and save the universe and (Amy) before anything had actually gone wrong.

  • stegmi

    Five days to go before my theory gets disproved but here we go anyway…
    Shadowy villain comes up with a plot to destroy space/time and blame it on The Doctor.To this end SV creates an alliance between every race that The Doctor has defeated or committed genocide against.SV knows that TD is the only being capable of thwarting him so the idea is to render him helpless and unable to intervene.
    Obviously the only way to make this work is to trap him on Earth since his fondness for the planet is well known and he styles himself as Earth’s defender.To try and make this work they appropriate the life and memories of Amy Pond and create a prison in Roman Britain using her favorite stories as a springboard then they wait.
    SV can control the TARDIS remotely as have a few others in the past.This gets The Doctor to Amy.(The TARDIS is out of control and crashlands in Amy’s back garden which looks accidental.)The Doctor leaves intending to return in 5 minutes but is again controlled to jump into Amy’s future.
    The idea is to manipulate events into making The Doctor travel to Roman Britain at the time his prison cell is ready.To help in this Rory is created to monitor The Doctor’s whereabouts and to bring an element of control to Amy’s life outside of psychotherapy.Its possible that the SV is using a perception filter to present himself as Rory.
    The problem which the alliance haven’t expected is that The Doctor has regenerated and so they can’t be sure what he now looks like.I’m guessing The Pandorica is designed for one specific person/shape/iris pattern/whatever.At the end of ep 1 the alien ship compares the new face to all previous Dr faces and he obligingly tells them who he is.To make absolutely certain The Daleks get Winston Churchill to summon him and The Daleks use his confirmation to validate that their race is pure Dalek.
    However The Doctor has guessed this plan to incarcerate him but has to play along with it to draw out SV and stop his plan of destruction.A lot of the season is about being human whether that is being in love or how you react to being threatened by alien races who want to reclaim the Earth.The Doctor has to determine who or what Rory and Amy are and if they can be trusted.He gives them hallucinogenics and offers them choices.He gives them a romantic trip to Venice.He claims to show them a future version of themselves.
    For final proof that Rory isn’t what he seems The Doctor invents a crisis in the TARDIS to occupy Amy while he visits England and goes back to Amy’s house and sees the photo of Amy with Rory who having ceased to exist shouldn’t be on it.(this is while he is in Colchester and before River goes there).
    I guess the time machine that he ‘found’ will prove significant.Did it implode or did he send it to 102 AD? Who would build a single storey flat in the middle of a row of two storey houses? Would you need psychic paper to get planning permission?
    What exactly was the computer program that was sent around the world in ep 1.(Martha getting everyone to think Doctor simultaneously to defeat The Master might be a relative.)
    There’s more I could dribble but won’t.Feel free to shoot it down.
    Thanks for reading this guff.

    P.S. The baddie is Scrappy Doo in an animatronic Rory costume

  • Vanessa

    Mary Ann–I too hope it is not all a dream.
    I do think there are complicated time loops going on. I think every time someone contradicts a statement from another episode it means there is a different timeline. For example–this time River says the Doctor taught her to pilot the Tardis–could mean she is coming from a different timeline than when this doctor encountered her at Byzantium, especially since we see that she is already in the Stormcage containment facility–a place she entered because she killed the “best man I ever knew”.

    Similarly, I think that when the doctor told Amy to remember what he told her when she was 7, we haven’t yet seen him tell her that, but probably will in the Big Bang. It has been pointed out that, about 28 minutes into Pandorica, the Vortex manipulator can be seen near the doctor, so he might have it and it transports him back in time somehow

    One thing I haven’t seen yet is a mention of the number of times that someone has said “How is that Possible? that is not possible.” I know Amy says it in Eleventh Hour when the doctor points out the 6th room in her house, and in Pandorica, he says as they lock him away “…and you lot, working together–in an alliance–How is that possible?” There are other points in other episodes as well.

    I am wondering also about why there are both enemies and friends in the “alliance” such as Judoon and Silurians.

  • DaveTM

    bored and work replaying the episode in my mind and two things came to mind.

    1. River piloted the Tardis differently since it made the noise that she said was because the Doctor was leaving the brake on. Don’t know if this is important or not but it hit me.

    2. Moffat wouldn’t just be bringing back the Black Guardian would he?

  • 1. River piloted the Tardis differently since it made the noise that she said was because the Doctor was leaving the brake on. Don’t know if this is important or not but it hit me.

    That is a very good point and, if it’s not part of the storyline, a rather huge continuity issue. Well caught.

    2. Moffat wouldn’t just be bringing back the Black Guardian would he?

    Good call! I wouldn’t mind seeing an old foe that isn’t a Dalek, Cyberman, Sontaran or The Master.

  • Ken

    River piloted the Tardis differently since it made the noise that she said was because the Doctor was leaving the brake on. Don’t know if this is important or not but it hit me.

    I caught that, but didn’t make much of it at the time.

    How would the Silurians even get in touch with the rest of this collective? There’s just a little too much arrogance in some of the Doctor’s enemies for all of them to be working together, to even consider the idea that they would need each other’s help. I don’t know what’s going on, but all can’t be what it would appear to be.

    I did like the mention of the Draconians. Frontier in Space was one of my favorite stories from the original series, and I always thought they should be brought back.

  • Vanessa
    There’s just a little too much arrogance in some of the Doctor’s enemies for all of them to be working together, to even consider the idea that they would need each other’s help. I don’t know what’s going on, but all can’t be what it would appear to be.

    I agree. It is possible that the collection of enemies is a projection of the doctor’s mind (even without it being a dream)

  • Vanessa

    Mo: the cracks were a big obvious flashing distraction from what we were really supposed to notice while he did some slight of hand in the background.

    I almost forgot to say–this is brilliant! I love the idea that the whole crack in time thing is a huge red herring designed to keep us from seeing the real thing!

  • This is a little off topic, but I’m going to share it anyhow because it might be interesting to most of you.

    My friend attended a press event in New York around the time that 11th Hour aired, and Steve Moffat, Matt Smith and Karen Gillan were all in attendance. These are his notes.

    – Steven Moffat is extremely quick on his feet and very funny.
    – Karen is surprisingly tall, and also seems a bit shy.
    – Matt seems very gracious and thankful to have the part (“the best role for any man on british television”), and seems to be having a great time.
    – Most of the questions from the audience were for Steven.
    – When asked if they ever wanted to shoot an episode in NYC, Matt and Karen both gave a resounding yes, while Steven rolled his eyes and pointed out that they’d just end up in front of a green screen if they did.
    – One woman in the audience admitted that she knew nothing of the show and asked the panel to explain a bit of the background of the show. Steven’s response was great, though – that you didn’t need anything beyond that first episode of the season, because the actual series started about the same way.
    – They shot this season out of order, and the first two were with Alex Kingston, who both the cast members said was an absolute pleasure to work with.
    – When asked if “Geronimo!” being the catchphrase had anything to do with Coupling, Steven had to think about it for a second, and then looked tremendously embarassed and said no. He also swore it wasn’t a catchphrase, he just wrote it in once and now Matt won’t stop saying it.
    – There was a question about the Neil Gaiman episode, but Moffat wouldn’t say a word about it.
    – Matt is hoping to stick with the role for “a long time”.
    – Someone asked what they used for the fish custard scene. Matt confirmed it was in fact fish fingers and custard, and they had to do about 12 takes of it (for the various angles).
    – Matt also revealed that whatever the over-arching bad guy is for this season was in the first episode, and that we just “have to find it”.

    Enjoy.

  • Nadia

    I’m going to make this a very short review:

    -River is awesome. Anyone who fires Alex Kingston for any reason must have a serious mental condition.

    -Steven Moffat makes my brain hurt.

    -Matt Smith and Karen Gillan are very pretty.

    -This season is fantastic and I just hope Moffat brings it to a conclusion worthy of the rest of the season.

  • Janet

    OK, here is my theory.

    If she isn’t “dead” dead, Rory will let the Doctor out and the two of them will put Amy in. I remember River mentioning the Pandorica having a time block or something like that when she was talking about all the defenses. If Amy is left in stasis while she is technically ‘alive’ then the Doctor can:

    A. Find a way to save Amy’s life

    B. Use the time manipulator thingy to find River and stop the Tardis from blowing up.

    C. There is a C, but I can’t talk about it.

    I have seen a few spoiler pictures and don’t want to ruin anything with the rest of my speculations so I’ll end it right now.

  • MaryAnn

    “The Pandorica is a fairy tale, a legend. It can’t be real!” says the Doctor. And maybe it’s not real.

    It isn’t. It was pulled from Amy’s favorite book.

    Yes, but who pulled it from the book? That’s the big question.

    After reading these comments, I suddenly have the awful feeling that this whole season is going to be Moffat’s way of erasing River Song, because she is a nasty narrative hazard.

    If only someone had listened to me, when I was saying that if they didn’t show us Tennant regenerating into Smith, that would have left tons of room for Tennant to come back in a series of *Doctor Who* movies occuring between his last episode and Smith’s first. And room for Ten’s romance with River Song to happen.

    *sigh* Why does no one listen to me?

  • Alli

    2. Moffat wouldn’t just be bringing back the Black Guardian would he?

    Due to my utter lack of knowledge about Classic Who, I started to do some research about both the Valeyard and The Black Guardian. I think the Black Guardian makes sense. He has to work through others, right? SO he creates an alliance between the Doctor’s greatest enemies. Moffat has said this season is like a fairy tale. What’s more Fairy Tale than your super villain being a evil sorcerer/dark spirit/devil.

  • Vanessa

    Random thoughts after rewatching the beginning and the end (some old, some new):

    In Pandorica:
    1) when River lands at Amy’s house on 6/26/10 the Roman warrior on the cover of Amy’s book is the leader she faced in 102 AD; there is no wedding dress hanging on the wardrobe, BUT there is a picture of Rory and Amy together in fancy dress even though he was “erased” from time.
    2) There are two Tardises in Van Gogh’s painting: Does the Doctor build a new Tardis to travel through time and crash into the original Tardis?

    In Eleventh Hour:
    1) The regenerating doctor hurtles over present day London (including the Millenium Dome and the London Eye) BUT lands in Leadworth
    2) Twelve years later, Rory’s ID badge says “1990”
    3) Rory was the only villager in all of Leadworth not looking at the Atraxi. He is photographing prisoner zero.
    4) Amy’s house has two stories from the outside, but three on the inside.
    5) When Amelia is waiting on her suitcase for the doctor to return, someone crosses in front of the window inside the house. Is it a future Doctor?

  • Mo

    Have we ever gone this long without finding out who the actual bad guy is for sure?

    Every which way I look at it, there are two obvious candidates, but I could never see them working together even though the evidence that I can see points at them both.

    If as the Doctor said about Amy’s house, “Psychic residue…Structures can hold memories, that’s why they have ghosts.“ Then the Tardis has had a very long time to absorb an awful lot of the Doctor over the centuries. The Tardis certainly seemed haunted before it went bang. What if, along with the Doctor’s personality, the Tardis absorbed the Dream Lord when he was separated inside the Doctor’s psyche? It might explain the meaning of his reflection on the console. What if by blowing the Tardis up in the dream, the Doctor left a pattern in the Tardis that showed the Dream Lord how to blow it up again?

    The other is Davros. That, like many have said, sure sounded like his voice in the Tardis. I compared the “Silence will fall” to the most recent Davros and the voice was a bit off, but it did sound like another actor trying to sound like him. The intonation was the same.

    Here’s the thing: the alliance. Someone has to be dominant in it- it would fall apart otherwise. I’m guessing someone has been feeding the others information to gain loyalty. Now look at how they interact. Most of the races were talking about proof that it was the Doctor, trying to show that they had worked it all out based on evidence. The Daleks simply stated things: “The cracks in time are the work of the Doctor, it is confirmed…. Only the Doctor can pilot the Tardis.” The Daleks showed up first when everyone gathered, and they pretty much had the final say. It was very subtle, but the others seemed to be following their lead.

    Also, the Tardis only went haywire when River set out for Stonehenge itself, and then the self-destruct started when the date was right, as though a timer had been set. It was all triggered or sabotaged the same way the Doctor going near Stonehenge activated the Pandorica, which might mean that it was someone in the alliance who set up both triggers, double-crossing everyone as would happen in a baddie alliance.

    Now, whose been presented as being unusually devious this season? The Daleks. Who tried to destroy reality last season? Davros. It half fits, at least.

    Some other thoughts and questions now that my head has stopped spinning so much:

    – Now THAT is how you do epic. That was huge!
    – Already said, but how hot is Rory as a Roman. ^.^
    – Amy and Rory- Moffat really knows how to twist the knife, doesn’t he? :’( Man, I don’t care if it is cheating, I want Rory back for real. I like him. He’s so hilariously understated compared to the other two.

    – So who actually taught River to pilot the Tardis, and why would she seemingly lie about it?
    – If Amy’s memories were taken from her house, why does Auton Rory remember dying since the last memories left in that house were from ‘Flesh and Stone’? If they scanned Amy’s brain at another point after Rory died, when?
    – Is Liz 10 a dummy/android of some sort?

  • Mo

    After reading these comments, I suddenly have the awful feeling that this whole season is going to be Moffat’s way of erasing River Song, because she is a nasty narrative hazard.

    That’s what I started thinking after the future Rory disappeared in ‘Cold Blood’. But there’s so much more to work out about her, too. But although she might not have aged much in the last 15 years or more, would Alex still be willing and able to play a younger River in 5 years time when we could finally meet “her Doctor”? I hope we see more of her.

    I really like your point about LOM, though Sam did legitimize his experience somewhat by choosing it as his reality. But you keep half calling things right so often- Something bad is going to happen to Amy, it happens to Rory, it’s in someone’s head and then this episode was based on the contents of Amy’s head- that it’s making me wonder…

    The way everything is presented now, it’s almost like dream and reality are bleeding together somehow- like the crack didn’t only combine two points of spacetime but types of reality. All those fairytale references and themes, it has been like a little girl playing Doctor with her dolls in a way.

  • Lisa

    Why didn’t the Dr’s enemies take this opportunity before?

    wouldn’t it be great if Ten came back and saved the day? – he won’t but I can dream!

  • Vanessa

    Mo–
    You are right–MAJ often gets it right and the leading explanation is that much of this season is not reality, or was brought to life from Amy’s mind.

    I can think of so many possibilities for how the ending will play out, but it is interesting that the season trailer for 11th hour included only scenes through Pandorica (I rewatched it last night) and there were no scenes from Big Bang, which implies something really unexpected, or at least hidden.

    maybe the Pandorica (because the Doctor extended its shields) will survive the apocalyptic meltdown and eventually be discovered by archaeologists and put in a museum where 7 year old Amy Pond will find it (like the home box in Time of Angels).

    OR The Vortex Manipulator attached to the Pandorica by River Song will deliver it to a time not yet affected by the apocalyptic meltdown (after all–she can clearly travel in time without it–she visited Liz Ten in the 29th century and zoomed back to 102 AD to play Cleopatra.)

    Or maybe the Pandorica will live at the top of the stairs that shouldn’t be there in Amy’s house (like in the Lodger).

    I too hope that Rory is real (those BBC audio stories and books with him and Amy would be yech if he turns out to be unreal or an auton. However I do expect a reset for both Amy and Rory back to age 7 so they can grow up somewhere real and the doctor to come back for Amy as an adult but with less angst this time. So time would be rewritten, but this timeline would still be “real” just as the new timeline is “real”.

  • I’m having trouble remembering why we think that the cracks erase people. Sure, the Doctor tells us that, but whom have we actually seen the cracks erase? Some soldiers and some angels – but we didn’t actually see that happen, and there might be something timey winey going on there because of the second doctor. We did see Rory go, but that was unusual because he was pulled in by those tentacles. The crack didn’t eat the doctor and it certainly didn’t eat prisoner zero. Perhaps the truth is a bit less straightforward than the doctor makes out.

    Also, didn’t the doctor say that the trickster was imprisoned by a good wizard? I can’t help observe that the doctor has attracted all his enemies to one place, where they have put him into the safest, most secure place in the universe. Hmm. Some mistake, surely? Perhaps he is the good wizard. Perhaps he is in charge – remember his performance in the spaceship in the Family of Blood. Very distracting.

    And don’t forget what is in the bottom of Pandora’s Box – hope!!!

  • Ken

    Are we meant to believe that all of the Doctor’s enemies can time travel, or that he’s sufficiently pissed them all off by 102 AD to be willing to collude with each other? (The history of the Draconians, who are mentioned to be part of the alliance, would seem to preclude the latter.) If the answer is no, then it’s till possible that the Daleks would have assisted with the time travel, but why wouldn’t the Doctor recognize that there was an issue with this? Certainly all is not as it would appear to be.

  • I’m having trouble remembering why we think that the cracks erase people. Sure, the Doctor tells us that, but whom have we actually seen the cracks erase?

    Also the crack only seems to erase the memories of the objects and persons sucked in, not the actual consequences of their actions, while they existed.

    Are we meant to believe that all of the Doctor’s enemies can time travel, or that he’s sufficiently pissed them all off by 102 AD to be willing to collude with each other?

    Indeed, an alliance between the species shown is pretty unlikely: The Judoon have no problem with the Doctor and like the Silurians (which should be in cryostasis by that time) they are not evil anyway. And Daleks simply don’t tend to do alliances if they can’t backstab their partner. Of course, each species in the Whoverse has been known to act OOC once in a while, but..

    So, if they are not part of a dream, maybe they are controlled by something or someone or they are simply illusions, the mask of the big bad, whoever or whatever hesheit is.

  • NickT

    The Judoon may not have a problem with the Doctor on spec, but that’s not what this is.

    All these species think that he’s going to end the universe. Given their judge-jury-appeals-process-executioner attitude, they’d be fine with imprisoning him on the evidence they had.

    Some of them may hate him, but their stated goal here is to prevent their own destruction.

  • McFeely

    I had trouble with the Judoon showing up as well, but remembered they are mercenaries so they may have been hired to help.

  • Janus

    1.“- Matt also revealed that whatever the over-arching bad guy is for this season was in the first episode, and that we just “have to find it”.”

    What is that cloud of gold “dust” that escapes from the Doctor’s mouth right after he falls out of the Tardis early in The 11th Hour? As far as I can tell that was never explained. Could that be relevant? Could it be some sort of psychic dust?

    And what about the Duck Pond with no ducks?

    2.Something I don’t feel was really settled, especially with the return of the Weeping Angels this season:

    In the 2nd half of the 2009 Christmas special “The End of Time”, as Rassilon is transported to earth, a vote was taken and “only two stand against”. We learn that these are the “weeping angels of old” who will “stand as monument to their shame”.

    (One of them is the same woman who we see twice before in this two-parter, as she advises Wilfred from his TV set that the time will come for him to take up arms. (Concidentally? there is a white christmas angel ornament sitting to the right of the television). She later appears to him again, in person, dressed in white, about 24 minutes into the second part. Wilfred asks: “Who are you?” She replies “I was lost, so very long ago.”)

    Later, Rassilon states that “the rupture will continue until it rips the time vortex apart”.

    Then, in season 5, the Weeping Angels are sucked into the crack. Will they come back? This woman just stuck out so much in this Christmas episode that I have to think she’ll appear again, if not this season, perhaps later on?

    3. Another new gadget for the Doctor! Not as cool as the previous ones. This time it is less obvious: He uses something to scan the Pandorica, which I can only describe as a round-headed tendon reflex hammer with the head folded 90 degrees (It’s at 19:28).

  • What is that cloud of gold “dust” that escapes from the Doctor’s mouth right after he falls out of the Tardis early in The 11th Hour? As far as I can tell that was never explained. Could that be relevant? Could it be some sort of psychic dust?

    I’ll hurry to be the first to reply because I bet everyone will jump on this one. :)

    That’s “regeneration stuff”. David Tennant/Doctor #11 was spitting it out as well when he regenerated from Chris Eccelston/Doctor #10. Also, moments before both regenerations began, his body was washed with the stuff.

  • Ken
    What is that cloud of gold “dust” that escapes from the Doctor’s mouth right after he falls out of the Tardis early in The 11th Hour? As far as I can tell that was never explained. Could that be relevant? Could it be some sort of psychic dust?

    That’s “regeneration stuff”. David Tennant/Doctor #11 was spitting it out as well when he regenerated from Chris Eccelston/Doctor #10. Also, moments before both regenerations began, his body was washed with the stuff.

    That didn’t puzzle so much as the blue glowy thing seen at about 34:30 in Eleventh Hour. That was never explained.

  • I believe that’s just lens flare.

    Really.

  • Ken

    I believe that’s just lens flare.

    It seems a little too deliberate. I just watched it again and noticed that Amy’s hair is highlighted as that happened. I suppose it could have been the sun shining through a gap in clouds, but the fact that it coincides with Amy’s decision to trust the Doctor makes me think there’s something more going on here. If it is just lens flare, I don’t see why they wouldn’t reshoot the scene. It’s not subtle.

  • McFeely

    In the 2nd half of the 2009 Christmas special “The End of Time”, as Rassilon is transported to earth, a vote was taken and “only two stand against”. We learn that these are the “weeping angels of old” who will “stand as monument to their shame”.

    The actual quote is like the weeping angels of old. The were not angels or soon to be angels. One (the one who stalks Wilf.)actually was the doctor’s mother.

  • Alli

    One (the one who stalks Wilf.)actually was the doctor’s mother.

    I don’t think that was confirmed, was it? I know it was a theory. The other theory was that she was the White Guardian, which, is she were to return, could work with the Black Guardian theory.

  • Christian

    I don’t think that was confirmed, was it? I know it was a theory. The other theory was that she was the White Guardian, which, is she were to return, could work with the Black Guardian theory.

    It was never confirmed on-screen. I believe that RTD stated in an interview that he intended her to be the Doctor’s mother. This does not preclude the possibility, however, that she is the White Guardian…

    Wibbly-wobbly, timey-whimey.

  • Lisa

    I’m liking the Dr creating a time paradox, being the bad guy, breaking the laws of time again as he did in Waters of Mars.

    Someone mentioned in the Cold Blood thread about how this is the flip side of Time Crash – 2 Tardii are going to crash and bugger up the whole of creation. That was a great idea. Is there someone else with a Tardis?

    Did I read that Timelords who commit suicide are forced to change gender on this site or another one?

  • it didn’t look like two TARDISes necessarily… it might have been the different sides of the TARDIS in view (sort of like a cubist painting)…

  • Tom H

    So Matt Smith said that “it’s in the first episode, you just have to look for it.” eh?

    Well this supports the Dream theory. Yesterday, i watched “Amy’s Choice” and i was reminded of the birds chirping in the dreams. Today i watched the “Eleventh hour” and at around the halfway point, shortly before they reached the (phantom) duck pond, there was definitely some birds chirping in exactly the same manner. Could be a coincidence but i think not.

    If someone else posted this out earlier then i apologise. There were an awful lot of comments on this one.

  • leontineg

    “Also, didn’t the doctor say that the trickster was imprisoned by a good wizard? I can’t help observe that the doctor has attracted all his enemies to one place, where they have put him into the safest, most secure place in the universe. Hmm. Some mistake, surely? Perhaps he is the good wizard. Perhaps he is in charge – remember his performance in the spaceship in the Family of Blood. Very distracting.”

    This is my theory too. And totally works with “It’s in the first episode…”

  • Mo

    However I do expect a reset for both Amy and Rory back to age 7 so they can grow up somewhere real and the doctor to come back for Amy as an adult but with less angst this time. So time would be rewritten, but this timeline would still be “real” just as the new timeline is “real”.

    Yeah, that’s basically the theory I’ve been going with for a while now- that all the little inconstancies are from time travel and hungry cracks, and eventually the whole timeline will have to be ironed out a bit, rewriting things but not eracing the recent past. But I’m not so sure now- there’s more to it than that and it has something to do with the nature of reality, dream world or no dream world.

    Hmm…brainwave, if it is all child`s play, someone ought to take a good long look at those dolls of Amy`s…

    Someone mentioned in the Cold Blood thread about how this is the flip side of Time Crash – 2 Tardii are going to crash and bugger up the whole of creation. That was a great idea. Is there someone else with a Tardis?

    That was me I think. My thought was that the Doctor would go back on his own timeline to change things, and that the one Tardis would crash into its future or past self in it’s own timestream. The fact that the Tardis actually went off the way it did seems to disprove that theory- it seemed more like direct sabotage of some sort to me, and it’s gone now so where would the other Tardis come from? (And that was a lot bigger than Belgium.)

    On the other hand, that really does kind of look like one Tardis exploding into another in the painting, doesn’t it?

  • supamatt

    details we notice may be important?
    Things I’m wondering about:

    The night before Amy’s wedding is rather busy for time travellers in Leadworth:

    — the Doctor (returning to whisk Amy away, late at night – she was in bed in her nightie)

    — the Doctor and Amy – returning for the seduction scene

    — whoever mashed the door and left the ‘lieutenants armband’ footprints

    — River, after the door mashing

    — the Doctor, to whisk Rory away to Venice

    by my reading, all these are on the night before the wedding.

    Where was The Crack during the seduction scene? (I cant remember it, now). It certainly changes in character, from something the Atraxi can look out through, which Prisoner Zero can escape through, to the all devouring black hole clone of today.

    Will Amy take her shots, and stay lifeless?

    Dr Who is Karen Gillen’s first big break.
    Has she had a better offer?
    Would they really ditch her?
    Moffat did say about Rory, in confidential, that it was important to actually kill a (goodie) character, for realism or believability.

    Have the Autons been known to fire ‘stun’ shots, or always kill?

    The vortex manipulator may be convenient. The jacketless Dr who returned to Amy in the Byzantium had rather large cuffs, which could hide things. Maybe the different colour watch noted by someone was actaully the VP/

  • banquetbear

    …well, for a while MaryAnn I thought you were barking up the wrong tree. But I had a discussion with my brother today and we were bouncing around ideas, and all of a sudden a whole lot of things clicked. I think I know where the story is going. These are my guesses: not spoilers.

    I thought of Multivac, the computer in Issac Asimov’s short story “The Last Question.” I was thinking, what would a timelord do while locked up in a timey whiney prison? He would think. He would dream. He would remember.

    My theory (which I am fully prepared to be proven wrong this weekend!) is that this season has been the Doctor “remembering”, not “dreaming”, his time with Amy, struggling to remember something that he is missing, while he is stuck in the Pandorica.

    I think that this would explain some of the things that don’t quite seem right, like the 12 minutes to set up security cameras in the Hungry Earth-if the Doctor found something boring or unimportant his brain would “fast forward.”

    I think that the Doctor is behind everything. In his time in the Pandorica he works out what is causing the cracks, and how to fix it. And he works out that he has to construct the Pandorica so that he can survive the destruction of the universe.

    So the Doctor manages to get out of the Pandorica, spends a few years constructing a Tardis in the upstairs of Amy’s house, then goes around jumping in and out of his time stream planting suggestions and leaving clues to Amy and co. He somehow convinces the Daleks into creating a coalition to create the Pandorica to trap his earlier self.

    I’m convinced that the Doctor is Prisoner Zero, but I can’t find enough supporting evidence from the Eleventh Hour yet. My brother suggested to me that the multi-form was bait for the Doctor: and I suddenly realized that he was “literally” bait, he looked like a worm, and his first appearance was shaped like a fishing lure. My brothers theory: the Atraxi, part of the alliance looking for the Doctor, were looking for the Tenth Doctor, not knowing that he had regenerated. The multi-forms job was to flush out the Doctor and his new identity, and once he was found, the Trap started to be set.

    I don’t know how much of my guesses will be wrong, probably most of it, but I am certain of one thing: the solution will be Timey Whimey and not Dues Ex Machina, the answer has been staring us in the face since the beginning but we all can’t see it, and that the final will not let us down…I can’t wait!!!

  • Lisa

    I think we’re going to kick ourselves when we do see the answer hoping for a full draft of flashbacks

    I was thinking about a bad dr and a good dr running around last night – one saving the world from the blowing up and one trying to cause it – but then the bad dr would not have passed the message on to Amy in Flesh and Stone about remembering/ wouldn’t have gone back to speak to her. But 2 drs might explain why the crack can’t eat the Dr.

    2 drs in the Tardis? 2 simultaneous Tardii?

    How come prisoner zero escaped thru the crack and the Atraxi could look thru it?

    See I think the Tardis building 3rd floor flat episode can not be the Dr – innocent people were dying horribly – the Dr would have no part of that.

  • Zen

    Great review as always! I kind of think you’re seeing things that aren’t there though re: it all being in the Doctors head. Rory is there because the Nestine Conciousness created the soldiers and everything based on Amy’s memory – which includes Rory! So that is pretty much covered.

    In general I really do feel like all the bases have been covered and that what’s going on has a lot more to do with Amy than the Doctor. Your theory does have merit although honestly I’m also kind of hoping it’s wrong. I’m not into the ‘its all in your head’ plot point!

  • Mark

    Hmm… of course the Pandora’s box story DOES end with Hope emerging, as stated above, which reminds me of his line to Vincent “I find that, surprisingly, there is always hope…”

    Have been mulling over the little incidental things about Amy – her failure to recognise the daleks, The Doctor wanting her to remember what he said to her when she was 7, the fact that her life is “so weird” (an attractive go-getting 20 something living in Scooby Doo’s house amid all her early childhood toys. EARLY childhood mind – did anyone notice a single teenage-girl-type-thing at her house?). Something happened to Amy between the Doctor leaving her as a little girl and their next encounter with her grown up and I’m certain that’s the key and I can’t for the life of me work it out. Damn you SM!

    Also… passing thought… wonder if the TARDIS’ faulty chameleon cicruit could be persuaded to just this once at least make it look like another box – a box buried under Stonehenge.

    I’ve not been this caught up in a season finale since the end of “Ashes to Ashes” – which actually isn’t that long ago, but you know what I mean…

  • Mark

    How come prisoner zero escaped thru the crack and the Atraxi could look thru it?

    Of all the cracks, the one in Amy’s house is the only one we know a being has passed through. It wasn’t a passport to oblivion, just to somewhere else. And following on from what I said above, I wonder if Amy is actually from somewhere else too. Maybe a parallel, very-similar-but-a-bit-different universe, with two parallel Amys swapping places. That would explain her missing out on the daleks.

    Perhaps Amy, wittingly or un-wittingly, has been part of a plot to save that universe. Remember what River said to her: “Oh, you’re GOOD” (or something similar). It struck me as an odd thing to say to someone from your love’s past. Maybe it was River thinking “Oh I can see how you trapped him that time!”

    Is the clue in the title of the last episode? Is the eventual explosion not the death of our universe, but the birth of it (perhaps at another one’s expense)?

    And yes I am clutching at straws to think of reasons for a parellel Amy Pond to take up companion duties in 2011!

    Ok gonna try and stop thinking about this now and do some work. My head hurts.

  • Revsis

    Great to find you, MaryAnn, and all the rest of you too!

    1) The cliff-face inscription: Beneath “Hello Sweetie”, there IS a theta and a sigma, but it’s a lower-case theta, and an upper-case sigma — more a mathematical use than a personal one. If what follows is also Greek, then it sure looks like a lower-case “phi” standing alone (“f”), and then TgDS — does Tau gamma Delta Sigma mean something —- or is it some variation on TARDIS? Theories, anyone? Never ignore textual evidence, I always say!

    2) Much as I am interested in what’s going on inside the Doctor’s head, I prefer him to remain something of a mystery . . . how can we psycho-analyse a “lonely angel”?

    3) And since “The Girl in the Fireplace” and “Silence in the Library” and “Forest of the Dead”, dear Mr. Moffatt has shown that he is very interested in the magical place that is inside the mind of a little girl. So if this season is inside anybody’s head, it’s got to be Amy’s. (As far as we know, River may exist only inside the mind of a little girl . . . remember where she got “saved” to?)

  • JohnnyInc

    — whoever mashed the door and left the ‘lieutenants armband’ footprints

    — River, after the door mashing

    — the Doctor, to whisk Rory away to Venice

    by my reading, all these are on the night before the wedding.

    Actually, all of those last three could have happened the day (early morning) of the wedding. The Doctor left to “sort out Amy” as the clock turned to the day of the big bang. So he would have had to pick up Rory at the stag party after midnight. And River said she was at the house the day of the big bang, which scared the Doctor and made him tell her to go to anytime but that day.

    Of all the cracks, the one in Amy’s house is the only one we know a being has passed through.

    The alien queen in Venice said they slipped through the crack to come to Earth.

    does Tau gamma Delta Sigma mean something —- or is it some variation on TARDIS? Theories, anyone?

    I think it was coordinates for the Doctor to meet River at Stonehenge.

    I noticed something watching the last episode a while ago. When the Doctor was on the communicator with River, telling her to bring the Tardis, he had a time agent’s watch next to his head. Could be nothing but could be a big something.

  • Okay, there is something that has been going thru my head for three days now but the solution hasn’t bubbled up to the surface yet.

    A duck pond without any ducks is, quite logically, an -empty- pond, and that started the words going round like this:

    Amy Pond

    Empty Pond

    Empty Child

    {repeated ad nauseum, often in reverse order}

    Can anyone help my usually reliable subconscious kick-start this one?

  • Amy Pond

    Empty Pond

    Empty Child

    So you’re proposing that Amy has a sister named “Duck”?

  • Ken

    Amy Pond

    Empty Pond

    Empty Child

    So you’re proposing that Amy has a sister named “Duck”?

    That seems like a bit of a canard.

    sorry

  • Also (new thought, new post), I am having trouble with the Doctor somehow meeting some sort of new or restored 19-20 year-old Amy without her having lived through this season’s adventures. I understand and agree that it makes perfect sense logically and temporally, but it makes NO sense in terms of a television show!

    We’ve already met Amy, we’ve already watched her and the Doctor learn each other’s quirks and earn each other’s respect. If their relationship somehow rebooted, we’d have to watch all of that ALL OVER AGAIN. That would effectively waste three or four episodes of next season, at least. And (Horrors!) it might open a romantic door that is now BLISSFULLY SHUT.

    In addition, I’m thinking the casual viewers in Ol’ Blighty would be pretty confused, as well, if they missed the finale.

  • Les Carr

    I’ve just sat down and watched Eleventh Hour again, because we know that the secret of the Big Bad is all in that episode.

    First things first: it’s easy to forget the crack and any big secrets. That episode is just thrilling in its own terms – it’s fizzing with tension and emotion. Twelve weeks ago I saw it as a bit weird and not quite settled in. Now it seems so sharp you could cut yourself on it. I said in one FF comment that fans have to regenerate along with the doctor, and I stand by that!

    Anyway, Back to the Crack. I’ve lost track of who has suggested what theory, so I’m just going to list all the bizarre things that don’t fit in:

    (a) in the opening shot the garden swing is swinging, even though there’s barely enough breeze to disturb the plants. The swing is also swinging when the Tardis appears twelve years later, but that may be down to the “materialisation wind” that New Who insists on.

    (b) there is an extra staircase, leading from the first floor to a non-existent second floor. A much more normal explanation would be that the staircase goes up to the attic, except that when you freeze the picture (in one of the shots in which the doctor is handcuffed to the radiator), the stairs clearly go right up to the top of the ceiling.

    (c) Amelia gives the doctor an apple with a face on it, supposedly carved by her mother. Even though she doesn’t have a mother. What is more, the apple is sufficiently fresh that the exposed flesh of the apple hasn’t gone brown in contact with the air.

    (d) after the doctor disappears (for five minutes), a mystery figure (human) rushes across the kitchen. As the camera moves across the kitchen to the cooker and up to the clock we see that one of the gas dials on the hob is turned on and that there is a visible heat haze over the frying pan.

    What else is obvious in retrospect:
    (e) Prisoner Zero knows about the cracks and the Pandorica and the silence. PZ also knows that the Doctor doesn’t know.

    (f) The Doctor has become a threat not only to PZ but also to the Atraxi. They also know about the cracks, and presumably (through PZ at least) the Pandorica.

    (g) The Doctor is lying to Amy about the reason he has gone back, and also about his knowledge of the crack (he switches off the monitor in the Tardis). By this time he has conveniently disappeared from our view (Amy’s view) TWICE for extended periods.

    (h) PZ is a multiform, who can take the appearance of anything it sees in someone’s dream. Perhaps the Doctor’s enemies at Stonehenge are not as they seem.

    (i) The missing ducks are red herrings?

    I give up. This is fun, but I can’t see a picture emerging.

  • Ken

    (c) Amelia gives the doctor an apple with a face on it, supposedly carved by her mother. Even though she doesn’t have a mother. What is more, the apple is sufficiently fresh that the exposed flesh of the apple hasn’t gone brown in contact with the air.

    Amelia doesn’t say her mom put a face on that one specifically. Just that that’s what got her to stop hating apples.

    Speaking of apples though, here’s an odd thought, which I may not have brought up if the 5th Doctor hadn’t mentioned it in one of his stories. When the Doctor pokes his head out of the TARDIS at the beginning of The Eleventh Hour, he says “Can I have an apple? All I can think about…apples.” Why? Because an apple a day…?

    I don’t know where I’m going with this.

  • DaveTM

    (h) PZ is a multiform, who can take the appearance of anything it sees in someone’s dream. Perhaps the Doctor’s enemies at Stonehenge are not as they seem.

    Les you just blew my mind. That could very well be it. It’s not the Daleks and the Cybermen it’s images of them pulled from the Doctors mind. Just like the Pandorica and Romans are pulled from Amy’s.

    Which would mean that they are lying and are actually locking up the Doctor to prevent him from stopping the TARDIS from exploding.

    This actually led me to one other thought. If the Pandorica is drawn from Amy’s thoughts and Amy is now shot, when she dies or loses consiousness will the Pandorica vanish?

  • Lisa

    Gee, what will we talk about next week…

  • DaveTM

    Lisa – Next week isn’t the problem. We will all be picking into all the details of the finale then. It’s the week after that when I’ll be truly starved for Who. Personally I expect to dig back into Peter Davison and make it into Colin Baker before Christmas and a new special rolls around.

  • Ken

    This actually led me to one other thought. If the Pandorica is drawn from Amy’s thoughts and Amy is now shot, when she dies or loses consiousness will the Pandorica vanish?

    It didn’t make a difference for the coma patients, so I’d say no. But I really like the idea that the real enemy is PZ, or at least that PZ is a major part of the equasion

  • Ken

    (b) there is an extra staircase, leading from the first floor to a non-existent second floor. A much more normal explanation would be that the staircase goes up to the attic, except that when you freeze the picture (in one of the shots in which the doctor is handcuffed to the radiator), the stairs clearly go right up to the top of the ceiling.

    It’s seems deliberate in the shot that we’re meant to see that it doesn’t go anywhere:

    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7141/staircase.png

  • Alli

    It’s not the Daleks and the Cybermen it’s images of them pulled from the Doctors mind. Just like the Pandorica and Romans are pulled from Amy’s.

    Which would mean that they are lying and are actually locking up the Doctor to prevent him from stopping the TARDIS from exploding.

    Going a bit further, the idea that the Doctor caused the end of the universe could come from his head too. We’ve already seen in Amy’s Choice, and half of the Tennant era, The Doctor’s self-loathing.

    But this is getting back to what MAJ has been suggesting all year. If the Pandorica is being pulled from the Doctor’s mind, has every adventure he’s had this year real or not?

    There is an extra staircase, leading from the first floor to a non-existent second floor. A much more normal explanation would be that the staircase goes up to the attic, except that when you freeze the picture (in one of the shots in which the doctor is handcuffed to the radiator), the stairs clearly go right up to the top of the ceiling.

    It’s seems deliberate in the shot that we’re meant to see that it doesn’t go anywhere:

    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7141/staircase.png

    It could just be the angle of the camera. Still, why does Amy live alone in a 3 story house with a million rooms?

  • Mark

    This is fun, but I can’t see a picture emerging.

    Seconded

  • Lioness

    “Prisoner Zero has escaped”

    From where? Prison, obviously.

    But if the Doctor is actually PZ, it could be from the Pandorica. The Atraxi were there.

    It doesn’t look like the underneaths of Stonehenge through the crack in her wall, but it’s possible.

  • Lioness

    Right, continuing on the PZ theory from watching a little more.

    We see when she’s packing her stuff that the door in the hall is a little bit open. Then it’s more open. Later, we see something cross the kitchen window. Something that really doesn’t look at all like PZ’s wormy form.

    Also…what’s the last thing she packs in her suitcase? We never get to see it.

    And how did PZ get the Doctor’s screwdriver…he was unconscious, yeah, but is the perception filter that good?

    Also, does anyone else see a room to the right of the PZ room…I swear I see a doorframe, but no door. And then a bit later I see a door but no doorframe.

    The orange glow when PZ is ‘getting dressed’ looks an awful lot like regeneration sparklies.

    When it flashes back to the Atraxi in the sky, there are almost no stars. Relevent, perhaps?

    And the birdsong is EVERYWHERE in there…definitely significant. Same birdsong, too. Every time.

    The lens flare when he’s being all ‘it’s the same apple’ is way too obvious to be accidental, I think. Especially considering there’s a similar shade of blue glow earlier when they’re cooking, or out by the TARDIS…can’t remember which.

    “It needs a psychic link with a living, but dormant mind”
    Sort of like Amy, when she’s sort of shot? Possibly dead? But possibly only unconcious, and thus dormant.

    “Amelia Pond…waiting for her magic doctor to appear”

    Is it possible that PZ is the Doctor, but a dream-lord, evil variation of such. Some of the things PZ says don’t sound very Doctor-ish.

    “Takes months to form that kind of psychic link. And I’ve had years…”
    She makes an Amy who is dreaming of the Doctor…

    “Dreaming of the magic doctor she knows will return to save her”
    Significant?

    And PZ’s voice sounds a little like a high-pitched version of that which is controlling the TARDIS.

    What was that big flash of light at about 55:40? The TARDIS doesn’t usually do that.

    The Matt Smith when he comes back two years after the main story events…he looks…different. Sharper. Slightly more malevolent. That’s probably me being massively over-observant though.

    Amy talking about the TARDIS: “There’s a whole world in here…”

    “One day your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box”

    Just some thoughts…

  • Ken

    The Matt Smith when he comes back two years after the main story events…he looks…different. Sharper. Slightly more malevolent. That’s probably me being massively over-observant though.

    Well, there’s also the conversation about why the Doctor

    A: “You’re lonely, that’s it. Just that?”
    D: “Just that. Promise.”
    A: “Okay.”

    The Doctor then switches off the monitor that’s displaying the crack, and he looks a little relieved. I think he knew that there was something much bigger involving the crack and Amy.

    And while he says he just went to the moon and back to break the TARDIS in, there’s really no reason there could have been a lot more going on in those 2 years (Amy’s time). Potentially he could have had plenty of time to realize the larger issue. Who knows, maybe next season takes place in that gap.

  • Ken

    that should read “…why the Doctor invited Amy to come along.”

  • JenniferJ

    Fabulous blog! Been lurking for a few weeks and loving all of it.

    Anyway, one plot point I have not seen mentioned anywhere is that in The Eleventh Hour, from the time the Doctor and Amelia go into her house until the cloister bell begins to ring, the TARDIS is sitting unprotected with it’s doors wide open. Plenty of time for something to get in, and maybe not leave?

    And then no cloister bell when everything is hitting the fan at the end of The Pandorica Opens.

    Hmmm…

  • Janus

    Moffat essentially explains the whole Rory the Roman thing in DW Confidential accompanying Episode 12:

    One of the most complex things to do in this episode was to bring back someone who not only was dead but never existed in the first place….

    It’s just a dream moment, a magic moment, a wish fulfillment moment…and then to find something terribly sinister underneath that, you know, that Rory doesn’t actually realize he’s not actually Rory…he’s a construct of Amy’s memories.”

    So Rory the Roman IS a construct of Amy’s memories

  • Christian

    So Rory the Roman IS a construct of Amy’s memories

    Yes. Rory the Roman is indeed an Auton based on Amy’s memories. That seemed pretty obvious in the episode. The part about never having existed, though, I think refers to the fact that Rory was consumed by the crack in the universe. I doubt Moffat would reveal that Rory had never EVER existed outside of Amy’s memories of a man at a Roman exhibition prior to the “Big Bang” next week.

    And speaking of the “Big Bang” theories flying around, who else is looking forward to Sheldon making a cameo? ;)

  • DaveTM

    And speaking of the “Big Bang” theories flying around, who else is looking forward to Sheldon making a cameo? ;)

    The season is one big Bazinga?

  • And speaking of the “Big Bang” theories flying around, who else is looking forward to Sheldon making a cameo? ;)

    Not Penny? ;-)

    Speaking of Pandora’s Box, anyone interested in the topic might want to look up the Roger Zelazny short story “But Not the Herald” which, prior to this episode, has the most memorable interpretation of that myth. It had quite a neat ending, too.

    Not to end this text box without alluding to a certain Pure Prairie League song from–oh no, there it goes. An obligatory song reference…Too late.

    “Amie…what you wanna do?…”

    Oh, good. It’s Amie, not Amy. And she’s not Lisa. Her name is Julie…

    Oh, never mind.

  • Les Carr (wibbly wobbly timey whiner. in recovery)

    It might be that when the doctor gets locked inside the Pandorica, there is also a crack in there with him. The sort of crack you can travel through, like Prisoner Zero did. To Amy’s house, like PZ did. Hmmmmm.

  • DoctorWhoFan

    For those of you who think River Song is the Doctor himself, I’m pretty sure thats wrong. Feel free to tell me I’m wrong as well though. I’m not sure how to explain this. But remember the “Father’s Day” episode, when future Rose bumped (touched) herself to save her father, and her previous self disappeared? Well, the Doctor and River has bumped (touched) each other quite a lot, and they’ve never disappeared..

    And how about that two doctor roaming around thing? I don’t quite get it.

  • Keith (Mon Jun 21 10, 1:16AM):

    Doctor: “You graffitied the oldest face in the universe.”
    Riversong: “You wouldn’t answer your phone.”

    Holy shit, you guys. Get this. GET THIS.

    So, if the Vortex Manipulator really WAS Captain Jack’s… then not only did she graffiti the oldest ROCK face in the universe, but she participated in the “grafitying” — chopping the lower arm off — the Oldest Face (of BOE) in the universe!

    Mind. Frakking. Blown!

  • Todd

    I’ve only had time to watch the first six episodes of the series over again since the latest episode, so I haven’t finished formulating a whole explanation…but this is an abridged version of the notes I took on anything inconsistent, recurring, or just curious:

    ELEVENTH HOUR
    -A shadow moves past Amy’s window while she is waiting for the Doctor to come “back in five minutes.”
    -Prisoner Zero knew about the cracks.
    -“Doctor in the TARDIS doesn’t know.”
    -Amelia Pond is a fairytale name.
    -There are stairs up to a third floor, though on the outside there are clearly only two.
    -Without much clear explanation as to why, the coma patients called for the Doctor. How did they know to call for him?
    -Prizoner Zero has been inside Amy’s head.

    BEAST BELOW
    -Liz Ten recognized and knew the Doctor at first sight, though he didn’t know her.
    -The rhyme (considering, perhaps, that the Doctor we’ve seen so far is the man above, while the future Doctor, the one who moves in secrets, and must not be seen, is the “beast below”:
    “A horse and a man above, below.
    One has a plan, but both must go.
    Mile after mile, above, beneath,
    One has a smile and one has teeth.
    Though the man above might say hello,
    Expect no love from the beast below.
    In bed, above, or deep asleep,
    What greater love lies further deep.
    This dream must end,
    This world must know,
    We all depend on the beast below.”

    VICTORY TO THE DALEKS
    -Amy doesn’t remember the Daleks. “That’s not possible.”

    TIME OF ANGELS
    -River Song knows how to write in Gallifreyan?
    -Her message, like before, “HELLO SWEETIE.”
    -“Doctor in the TARDIS hasn’t noticed.”
    -The Doctor told Amy to remember what he told her when she was 7…in different clothing.
    -The Doctor is told he doesn’t know “who” or “what” River is, and shouldn’t trust her. She killed “the best man she’d ever known.”
    -“Amy, impossible Amy.”
    -Pandorica is a fairytale.
    -26-06-2010: The basecode of the universe. The basecode? The code it was built on? “The Big Bang…”
    -“What if we had ideas that could think for themselves? What if, one day, our dreams no longer needed us? When these things occur and are held to be true, the time will be upon us: the time of Angels.”
    -“The Angels are feasting, sir. Soon we’ll be able to absorb enough power to consume this vessel, this world, and all the stars and worlds beyond.”
    -Before the angels fell into this mysterious crack, one had been inside Amy’s mind.

    VAMPIRES OF VENICE
    -They used the cracks to run away from the silence.
    -There is an awkward moment when the Doctor is disappointed that Rory doesn’t seem shocked, surprised, or confused when he first steps into the TARDIS…not even a question.
    -“Remember, dream of us.”

    – – – – – –

    There is a heck of a lot of stuff to think about here.

  • EleanorB

    What the doctor said about remembering and something remembered can come back etc .
    The doctor needs to be remembered while he’s in the box so he can come back.
    Think about it please.

  • Lioness

    -“What if we had ideas that could think for themselves? What if, one day, our dreams no longer needed us? When these things occur and are held to be true, the time will be upon us: the time of Angels.”

    Nice catch…

    Also, I’m pretty sure River isn’t the Doctor…at the end of this episode she says “I’m sorry, my love”
    It seems she was referring to the Doctor…

  • Todd

    Perception Filters: Not everything is what it seems. While they had not been mentioned very frequently at all before this series, perception filters are popping up everywhere. They are clearly mentioned having to do with Prisoner Zero, the Weeping Angels, the Saturnynians, and the Auto Pilot in the time ship on top of Craig’s flat. All over, things are meant not to be noticed, to be something other than they are.

    Anyway, back to random notes on episodes:

    AMY’S CHOICE
    -The Dream Lord, being some other form of the Doctor, “has seen Amy’s dreams.”
    -The Doctor is so concerned that Amy choose between him and Rory, he’s dreaming about it. She’s always had to choose, throughout the series, she must choose. And now Rory’s back.

    COLD BLOOD
    -“The angels know. Prizoner Zero knows. Everyone knows, except me!!”
    -The crack reached out with tendril-like arms for Rory.
    -The Doctor finds a piece of the TARDIS in the crack. The TARDIS must explode or break up in some way.
    -“If you forget him, you lose him forever. Remember him. Rory still lives in your mind!”

    VINCENT AND THE DOCTOR
    -Vincent seems to be able to see into Amy’s thoughts or memories or emotions in some way.

    THE LODGER
    -The Doctor was in Colchester for an entire day before he came to lodge with Craig. Doing what?
    -The thing upstairs can distort time.
    -The thing upstairs was someone’s attempt at building a TARDIS.

    – – – – –

    And that’s about it. What’s got me the most worried are things that haven’t been discussed too much in this thread. The angels. There were just too many clues and signs in those episodes for me to dismiss them just because the fell into the crack.

    Or, you know, they may have nothing to do with it. We’ll see.

  • debra

    There’s been so much discussion about Prisoner Zero but, in all of it, I haven’t seen this mentioned, so I must be getting it all wrong somehow.

    In the Eleventh Hour the Doctor says Prisoner Zero needs months to mimic someone’s form and gets taunted with “yeah, well, I’ve had years…”, which kinda takes your mind off the fact that it only takes months. The very next thing that happens is the multi-form changes into an image of the Doctor. “Who’s that? Well, that’s rubbish” he says (because he’s no idea what his regeneration looks like yet), THEN little Amelia peeps out from behind. So, how can Prisoner Zero do that if it’s the first day Dr and PZ have met? Doesn’t seem right to suggest it’s done from little Amelia’s memories either – she only met the Dr for 2 hours tops (and she’s only 7).

    Can anyone help with this little puzzle?

  • JohnnyInc

    @debra

    I think it is the same case as the coma patient with the dog. The dog probably didn’t have any contact with PZ but it was constructed from the owner’s mind (he probably really loved his dog). So in the Doctor/Amy multi-form case Amy was the coma patient and the Doctor was the dog.

  • Thinking out loud. If the Doctor fixed the crack in Amy’s wall….. Does that mean that young Amy’s little slice of space-time is the only part of the multiverse that’s technically not shattering?

  • Vanessa

    I’m practically ready to give up. I just can’t figure out what timey-wimey solution Moffat has up his sleeve.

    But a few hours left for speculation so I will give it one more go.

    I too rewatched Eleventh Hour. Matt Smith says the big bad is there, if you look for *it*

    Could be Prisoner Zero, but PZ says s/he didn’t create the cracks, and then mocks the Doctor in the Tardis for not knowing.

    Perhaps it is the Myth computer network (one of MAJ’s theories before the dream state). Or maybe it is Patrick Moore or one of the other scientists on the conference call. Actually, granny and Jeff exchange a somewhat mysterious look while the Doctor is playing on Jeff’s laptop. Hmmm…could it be gran?

    Well, it was hard to look for clues because eleventh hour is such a cracking episode I just wanted to watch it and enjoy it for it’s own value. I am really looking forward to seeing Amelia again–I miss her.

  • Ken

    I just realized while rewatching The Eleventh Hour that it also contains one of those unfeasible countdowns, like we see in Victory of the Daleks and The Hungry Earth. The Doctor has 20 minutes to save the world. After about 7 minutes running time, which focuses on Amy and the Doctor pretty much the whole time (so it can’t be said that things are happening simultaneously), the Doctor says he has 17 minutes left. During 14 of those last “17” minutes (he claims to have 3 minutes left when he gets to the hospital), the Doctor goes to Jeff’s house, conferences with the astronomers, writes a computer virus, commandeers a fire truck, and drives to the hospital.

    The fact that the coma patients call out for the Doctor while he is unconscious suggest a connection between PZ and the Doctor. Considering the Dream Lord was an aspect of the Doctor’s subconscious, it seems the same may be going on here.

    Is it just me, or is the voice of the girl — “the Doctor in the TARDIS doesn’t know — doesn’t know” the same as the girl who recites the Beast Below rhyme?

  • Ken

    The Doctor, from the opening of Amy’s Choice: “Listen to. Trust nothing. From now on, trust nothing you see, hear, or feel.”

  • “Silence will fall”

    Was watching some old DW. Sounds like the voice of Morbius.

  • maureen

    Thoughts on this episode in no particular order:

    – I didn’t think River could get any more win from TOA/F&B. She just did.
    – If Moffat erases River I will be very mad and send lots of hate mail. I’d love to see River just appear a couple of episodes per season and reveal some more about her past etc
    – What happened to that theory from Time of Angels I think about there being two doctors? Remember the changing jacket? Does this have something to do with the finale?
    – IS AMELIA POND COMING BACK NEXT WEEK?! Loved her!
    – Yay for Rory, but has he really always been a robot? Is this all in Amy’s head?
    – Is it just me or has Moffat been watching alot of LOM/Ashes to Ashes? I just get the feeling that the finale reveal is going to be all weird and head exploding but awesome like those two shows.

    That’s me done, and yay for River being MAJ’s female crush. I wholeheartedly approve.

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