I must say......that my enjoyment of the return of unscripted Daily Shows and Colbert Reports has been somewhat diminished by the fact that the shows have been, you know, clearly scripted. Fortunately, news is trickling out that the writers' strike may be approaching an ending. I’m sure that I shall eventually learn how to feel better about Jon Stewart’s and Stephen Colbert’s disloyalty. But it hurts. It does. I thought they were on the side of the angels. (Technorati tags: Daily Show, Colbert Report, WGA strike) support
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posted by Count Shrimpula (Mon Feb 04 08, 11:52PM)
Eh, I take it they haven't been writing stuff down, and they've been following the rules there, if perhaps toeing the line. They're both quite obviously heavily on the side of the writers (if you watched the first night, Jon Stewart all but said that he wanted to do the same deal with the writers that Letterman did, convinced his bosses to do it, and for some reason the WGA didn't want to go with it). They haven't been writing an actual script, but I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect them not to do any preparation whatsoever. They're great, they're amazing improvisers, but the shows just wouldn't work if they were going out and winging it for 30 minutes every night. That would get old really fast.
posted by JT (Tue Feb 05 08, 2:22AM)
Disloyal bastard...
posted by JT (Tue Feb 05 08, 2:24AM)
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=148027&is_large=true
posted by PaulW (Tue Feb 05 08, 7:06AM)
I blame the guys holding shotguns to their Xboxes. They're clearly working under duress. :(
posted by MaryAnn (Tue Feb 05 08, 9:31AM)
They are indeed amazing improvisers, but it's obvious that material is being prepared in advance. It's still "writing" even if none of it is actually scribbled down on paper.
I'm sure it would get old fast if they were winging it every night. That's not the point. The point is that they are members of a striking union, and they are doing work they're not supposed to be doing. I don't know how they were coerced into doing that, but I wish they'd stop. I'd rather have no shows that see them like this.
posted by bitchen frizzy (Tue Feb 05 08, 10:36AM)
Coerced?
posted by MaryAnn (Tue Feb 05 08, 6:03PM)
Why would they do this is they weren't coerced?
posted by bitchen frizzy (Tue Feb 05 08, 6:09PM)
Money? Boredom? They missed their jobs?
How do you suggest they were "coerced," and why wouldn't simple and personal reasons suffice as explanation for their return?
posted by MaryAnn (Wed Feb 06 08, 1:06AM)
I think the term "scab" still carries enough power that most people -- particularly prominent members of a union on strike in a such a public way -- would want to avoid it. Union members on strike don't get to go back to work unilaterally because they're bored or going broke. I don't mean that to sound callous or unappreciative of how damaging a long strike can be for workers -- I remember my union father being out on strike for long months when I was a child, and how tough things got. But strikes only work if workers stick together.
posted by bitchen frizzy (Wed Feb 06 08, 9:10AM)
The show hosts still carry union membership cards in their wallets, but they really aren't on the same plane as the writers anymore. They have different priorities with respect to their shows amd their networks, and are a part of management, which puts them in awkward positions. Witness Letterman negotiating a deal with his own union members to get his show back on the air - quasi-management, sort-of-union-member, caught in the middle.
Also, for whatever reason, the "scab" label doesn't seem to be sticking to these guys.
posted by Moe (Wed Feb 06 08, 11:24AM)
Weren't they put in the same position as Leno and Conan? Sure their beloved writers may be on strike but what about the rest of the cast and crew that's out of work through no fault of their own?
They have a responsibility to them too.
I have no problem them writng "A Daily Show" and The Colbert Report.
Sure it diminishes the impact of the writer's strike but the fact that a deal is close to being made to the satisfactory of the writers prove to me that the corporations are clearly hurting enough.
posted by JT (Wed Feb 06 08, 11:55AM)
Weren't they put in the same position as Leno and Conan? Sure their beloved writers may be on strike but what about the rest of the cast and crew that's out of work through no fault of their own?
They have a responsibility to them too.
You're exactly right. They were threatened with an ultimatum that if they didn't go back to work without their writers, their non-writing staff would be fired. Once they were back, they were supposed to what? Twiddle their thumbs and lose viewers week after week after week. No one would spend an hour of their life watching hosts doing nothing.
They had a responsibility to their writers, yes. But also to the other staff members and to the audience. If you think they've betrayed the writers, you don't know Stewart and Colbert.
posted by MaryAnn (Wed Feb 06 08, 9:38PM)
Yes. Exactly. He negotiated a deal with his union writers. That's not what happened with Colbert and Stewart.
What should they be doing? Stuff that isn't scripted. That doesn't mean "doing nothing." And I really expected that they'd be constantly reminding the audience in a million different ways that their writers are on strike. C'mon: they're clever guys. They could be doing that. Of course they have a certain responsibility to the other, non-writing staff. But they have a responsibility to those writers, too, and to themselves as union members.
posted by Alex Knapp (Thu Feb 07 08, 1:56AM)
posted by bitchen frizzy (Thu Feb 07 08, 8:53AM)
MaryAnn, you're missing my point.
They may be union members, but they're not really "one of the guys" anymore. We evidently can't expect them to behave entirely in solidarity with the writers.
posted by MaryAnn (Thu Feb 07 08, 1:03PM)
So then they shouldn't be airing clearly scripted material.
I didn't miss your point -- I understood that's what you were saying. And I disagree with you. Whether they're "one of the guys" or not, they are members of a union that is on strike. We certainly can and should expect them to act like it.