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from Facebook: both Wachowskis are transgender, and you have to deal with it

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  • bronxbee

    i can’t help but wonder, with both of them women, will they have trouble getting their films financed, released and reviewed?

  • Jonathan Roth

    Her letter was indeed excellent (one part piss, one part vinegar, 12 parts gasoline indeed), and I can’t help but be furious at the Daily Mail for forcing the situation.

    I’m really going to have to start watching Sense8. I’ve heard good things, but I’m really behind on my Netflix queue.

  • Bluejay

    I’m really going to have to start watching Sense8.

    Do it do it do it! And then you can be part of the open thread here:

  • Could be. But they have already worked their way up that ladder of name recognition and box office success… the very things that cis women have a hard time with.

  • RogerBW

    That’s what the Daily Mail does: lie, and make things worse.

    (Well, you could choose to believe they’d actually have printed a positive piece about a transgender person. But it would be a first, and clearly Lilly had actually heard of the hateful rag.)

  • Reality is sweet

    Not so long ago, progressive people accepted that men and women can do, wear, and be anything. This idea has been eroded thanks to the transgender movement and the people who reflexively support it. I too would like to live in a world where “gender wasn’t *so* defining and, indeed, limiting!” That’s why I reject the idea that personalities naturally align with the female or male sex. and that when they don’t, the solution is to “transition.” Hormone administration, surgeries and pronoun changes do not present a challenge to traditional gender roles. On the contrary, they uphold them.

  • Bluejay

    I think you’re failing to recognize the real complexity of the gender identity spectrum and you’re refusing to accept people in the identities they sincerely perceive themselves to be. Yes, women have can be not-stereotypically-“feminine” and still identify as women, just as men can be not-stereotypically-“masculine” but still identify as men. However, there ARE people who genuinely experience gender dysphoria and identify as a gender other than their biological sex. And trans people can identify as trans EVEN without undergoing the physical transition.

    I’m learning a lot about the evolving conversation around gender identity myself. But I don’t see what we have to lose by acknowledging and accepting ALL the ways that people choose to identify themselves.

  • Nathan

    Residual self-image indeed.

  • Danielm80

    I certainly can’t claim to speak for trans people, but as Bluejay said, gender dysphoria and gender identity may be much more complicated than just accepting or rejecting stereotypes.

    Still, as progressive as our society may be, we haven’t progressed far enough yet to get rid of gender stereotypes. If a man read a romance novel in public or cried in response to a hurtful remark or put on a flowered hat, he’d probably be ridiculed or beaten. One of the safest ways for a man to express his “feminine side” is to identify as a woman or as a “flaming queen.” It’s sad that we still have to resort to those labels, and it’s great that people like you have started to reject them. Maybe in a generation or two, they’ll be gone, and a man in a dress will just be making a fashion statement. In the meantime, acceptance of trans people may help all of us—whether we identify as progressive or not—move closer to that level of tolerance and open-mindedness.

  • Bluejay

    One of the safest ways for a man to express his “feminine side” is to identify as a woman

    Er, I think it’s actually one of the most dangerous things you can do, given the very high levels of prejudice and violence directed at trans people.

    This is another way “Reality is sweet’s” argument fails. S/he claims transgender people are really just men wanting to do “feminine” things and women wanting to do “masculine” things, which society won’t let them do in any other way; but relatively speaking, society is much more accepting of “feminine” men (who still identify as men) and “masculine” women (who still identify as women) than it is of transgender people. The fact that trans people are willing and committed to put themselves through all that prejudice, risk of violence, and emotional distress, not to mention the difficult experience of physical transformation, makes it clear (to me at least) that they have no choice. They simply must be who they are. And the very least we can do is see them for who they are; it costs us nothing to do so, and it costs them everything to be so.

  • Er, being transgender is not about “personality.”

  • Jonathan Roth

    The is completely wrong. There is a major difference between “Gender Roles”, “Gender Presentation” and “Gender Identity”.

    Roles are how society expects us to behave. Presentation is how we dress in accordance or defiance f those customs. Identity is how we see _ourselves_.

    I’m a cis male; that won’t change if I wear women’s dresses or make-up (and believe me, there have been plenty of times I’ve seen incredible women’s clothing that I’d love to wear, if they fit my 6’2″ frame and size 12 feet).

    Not every trans woman presents as traditionally feminine as Caitlin Jenner. Many don’t have the privilege of having expensive plastic surgeons or traditionally feminine features that allow them to easily present in as feminine, let alone fit the mold of Hollywood beauty standards. They have enough difficulties in life without being blamed for the lack of traction in tearing down male gender roles.

  • Hell, not every cis woman has any interest in adhering to “traditional” “feminine” rules of presentation. I cannot stand high heels, for instance, but that doesn’t mean I’m any less a woman, or any less heterosexual.

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