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Nathan
Nathan
Thu, Apr 28, 2016 1:24pm

I agree, but for this particular argument wouldn’t it make more sense to look at male writers or directors?

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Nathan
Thu, Apr 28, 2016 1:31pm

Like, ahem, Kevin Munroe?

Nathan
Nathan
reply to  RogerBW
Fri, Apr 29, 2016 3:46pm

If Hollywood were a factory environment and Kevin was an associate employee… he got called down to HR, two hours ago. Who am I kidding, he’s a supervisor, and he just got a huge raise. :P

LA Julian
LA Julian
reply to  Nathan
Sat, Apr 30, 2016 3:32pm

His writers on that project have even worse CVs — and Marvel gave them Doctor Strange. Let them NEVER come crying to us that they HAD to hire some bloke because they were just “hiring the best there is Because Money Reasons — affirmative action for mediocre INCOMPETENT white guys is what Hollywood is all about.

LA Julian
LA Julian
reply to  RogerBW
Sat, Apr 30, 2016 3:30pm

The writers are just as guilty – Sahara, A Sound of Thunder and the Conan reboot are not a resume that justifies further commissions — and yet, on top of the mess of Ratchet & Clank, they were awarded Doctor Strange!!

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Nathan
Fri, Apr 29, 2016 7:56am

Yes, this applies to writers and directors as well. Which I’ve also noted many times.

Nathan
Nathan
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Fri, Apr 29, 2016 3:41pm

It’s not that I disagree with your argument, it’s just that this particular example sort of blames Chris for problems likely caused by other members of the creative team. I like Chris too is what I’m saying. :)

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Nathan
Fri, Apr 29, 2016 4:35pm

It doesn’t blame Hemsworth for anything, though. It’s not even really an argument about why the movie was a flop. It’s just pointing out that, despite numerous flops, studios keep making male-centered movies and giving male actors second and third and fourth and hundredth chances to star in them. The same courtesy should be extended to female actors and female-centered films.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Nathan
Fri, Apr 29, 2016 7:32pm

No, this does not blame Hemsworth for anything.

Bluejay
Bluejay
Thu, Apr 28, 2016 1:38pm

The studios will, of course, find a way to blame this on women. As you and others have pointed out, the film was heavily marketed with deceptive trailers to suggest that the story would focus on Theron, Blunt, and Chastain. So the studios’ takeaway will probably be “We couldn’t fool people into buying tickets by putting the women upfront. That means people aren’t interested in women and we should put fewer of them in our films.”

LA Julian
LA Julian
Fri, Apr 29, 2016 3:00pm

This is not a “rare misstep” for Universal – they had a dismal track record the last two years that was only saved by Jurassic World and Straight Outta Compton — which they had no faith in, so its box office success can’t be credited to them but the material and audiences, and Jurassic World was going to make bank on regardless so long as it wasn’t Battlefield Earth levels of bad. And everyone said this was a movie that had no reason to exist, so it’s no more of surprise than Pan or Gods of Egypt flopping.

Do the film industry media think that we are simply incapable of remembering their own articles on the subject? Or that we can’t look these figures up online?

Anonymous
Anonymous
Thu, May 12, 2016 9:27pm
MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Anonymous
Fri, May 13, 2016 9:57am

So why don’t female stars get the same benefit of the doubt?

Anonymous
Anonymous
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Mon, May 16, 2016 9:21am
MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Anonymous
Mon, May 16, 2016 10:55pm

Seriously? You can’t think of any women who *haven’t* appeared in flop after flop yet still keeping getting work?

Think about what you are asking…

Anonymous
Anonymous
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Mon, May 16, 2016 9:30pm
MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Anonymous
Tue, May 17, 2016 12:29pm

You’re asking me to give you examples of a thing that does not exist!

Perhaps me not being able to remember an actress having appeared in a series of flops is indicative of a system which does not allow an actress more than one or two failures before no longer being given work?

Bingo!

Few women get that level of status in Hollywood of say, Arnie or Eddie Murphy or Bill Murray.

And why do you think that is?

I can’t think of any actors, of either gender, who have been blacklisted for appearing in a series of bad movies

You’re so close! You can’t think of any men because it doesn’t happen to me, and you can’t think of any women because they don’t get the chance to appear in a series of flops!

Anonymous
Anonymous
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sat, May 21, 2016 8:57pm
MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Anonymous
Sun, May 22, 2016 12:41pm

Cheap comeback? You are asking for the impossible.

But perhaps this will help you. When the 2007 film *The Brave One* “flopped” — although it just about earned back its production budget, which is a helluva lot more than can be said about Hemsworth’s *Blackhat* — Warner Bros head Jeff Robinov didn’t say, “That’s it, Jodie Foster,” who starred in the film, “will never work in this town again.” No: he declared that from then on, Warner Bros would not make another movie with a female protagonist. Not just with Jodie Foster as a female protagonist, with *any* female human being starring as the central character.

Jodie Foster has not had another starring role in a movie. And Jeff Robinov still works in Hollywood.

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Tue, May 17, 2016 5:44pm

Vivica A. Fox

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Alex Reynard
Wed, May 18, 2016 12:14pm

Make your case. Give me the list of big Hollywood movies akin to those Hemsworth keeps appearing in that Fox has headlined. Go on…

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Wed, May 18, 2016 4:33pm

Well, that wasn’t what I was responding to. Whats’-his-face said something about not being able to remember a woman finding work after appearing in a series of flops. Just look through her wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivica_A._Fox#Filmography Contrast the beginning (so many BAFTA nominations!) with the avalanche of ‘meh’ at the end.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Alex Reynard
Thu, May 19, 2016 1:17pm

You replied to my comment. Natural that I would think you were replying to me. :-)

Fox has been in lots of supporting roles. She has never been someone who has been expected to open a movie, like Hemsworth has been.

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Wed, May 18, 2016 4:36pm

ACTUALLY THOUGH! OMFG, I can do EXACTLY what you just asked! Because I just remembered that MEGAN Fox has been in some pretty big bombs (Jennifer’s Body and Jonah Hex come to mind), yet she still got cast in the Ninja Turtles movies.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Alex Reynard
Thu, May 19, 2016 1:19pm

*Jennifer’s Body* did okay, actually. *Jonah Hex* was a flop, but a small one (it had a moderate budget), and she certainly did not headline that film. She’s not headlining the TMNT movies, either.

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Thu, May 19, 2016 7:57pm

You seem to be changing the parameters of the challenge after I answer it. I don’t have time for yet another argument like that.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Alex Reynard
Thu, May 19, 2016 8:48pm

This particular conversation began with a post from Captain Megaton (which appears above). Here’s the original comment:

None of the reviews of Winter’s War, in including yours, pick a bone with Hemsworth for his role in it. As you note, he’s a good, reliable, versatile actor that – for the moment at least – brings A-list name recognition to whatever film he is in.

Hollywood is more likely to be thankful that he is willing to lend his name to, and tarnish his reputation by appearing in, a string of duds past and future (Ghostbusters…) than they are to blame him for their failure.

So she’s asking you (and Captain Megaton) to name a female star who has the following qualities:

(1.) A good, reliable, versatile actress
(2.) A-list name recognition
(3.) Appeared in hit movies…
(4.) …Then appeared in a string of duds
(5.) Keeps getting work in major studio films.

Neither of the actresses you mentioned seems to qualify. People were surprised that Megan Fox got even a supporting role in the TMNT films.

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  Danielm80
Fri, May 20, 2016 3:05am

Scarlet Johanson.

Did some good stuff, then along came The Island, The Black Dahlia, and (eek) The Spirit. And now she’s Black Widow.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Alex Reynard
Fri, May 20, 2016 5:23pm

The only film she can be said to have headlined (and then only as a coprotagonist) is *The Island.* And that movie, while probably considered a box office disappointment, did earn back significantly more than its production cost. But, say, Hemsworth’s *Black Hat* cost $70 million and earned less than $20 million globally.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Alex Reynard
Fri, May 20, 2016 5:19pm

LOL. I’m not “changing parameters.” It’s perfectly clear what we’re talking about male stars who headline big blockbusters.

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Fri, May 20, 2016 6:04pm

And you’re arbitrarily deciding that, unless something fits your Hemsworth example exactly, it doesn’t count. Because you’re a sore loser with a flimsy theory that any film geek can punch holes in. Why should I play a game with someone who gerrymanders the goal so only they can score?

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Alex Reynard
Fri, May 20, 2016 6:50pm

You can’t use Vivica A. Fox as an example and complain that we’re being arbitrary.

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  Danielm80
Fri, May 20, 2016 9:12pm

That was my first, off-the-cuff try. Megan Fox and ScarJo have each come closer to meeting the narrowing qualifications for the challenge before being swatted away. The nitpicks matter less than the substance of the claim being made: Hemsworth’s getting special treatment because he’s a man. I say bullshit; he’s getting special treatment because he’s PRETTY. Same as dozens of other actors and actresses who have appeared in turds but continued to get cast because they continued making audiences horny.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Alex Reynard
Fri, May 20, 2016 9:32pm

If there are dozens of actresses who meet the qualifications, then you should be able to name one.

Alex Reynard
Alex Reynard
reply to  Danielm80
Sat, May 21, 2016 12:12am

I named two, you illiterate mustelid.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Alex Reynard
Sat, May 21, 2016 11:45am

You have now crossed the line, and you’re gone.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Alex Reynard
Sat, May 21, 2016 11:44am

It’s not a game. Don’t play if you don’t want to.