question of the day: What other book should Eli have been carrying through the apocalypse?

Nearly anything of Ursula Le Guin's; but, I am thinking especially of Lathe of Heaven, Left Hand of Darkness, and Four Ways to Forgiveness.

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig.

A volume of Louis MacNeice's poems? "Prayer Before Birth" especially.

...I am not yet born; forgive me
For the sins that in me the world shall commit, my words
when they speak to me, my thoughts when they think me,
my treason engendered by traitors beyond me,
my life when they murder by means of my
hands, my death when they live me...
I am not yet born; O hear me,
Let not the man who is beast or who thinks he is God
come near me...

"Fahrenheit 451", just because it would be so ... meta.

"Star Wars- A New Hope - The Novel", because it would be geeky.

"Breaking Dawn", its title symbolizing hope and the book itself representing the strength of man's desire to believe in some mythology that *any* book which is self-serious enough and about non-existent beings would do.

The shooting-script for "The Book of Eli", in a nod to Goldoni's "Servant of Two Masters" (and "The Muppet Movie").

Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars?

Feel the fear and do it anyway?

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, of course. It's a wholly remarkable book.

Couldn't it have been the Torah, or the Koran, or the Book of Mormon?

either "The Women's Room" by Marilyn French

or "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood.

The Art of War? Or is that a too-easy cop-out solution? It seems like the type of thing a warlord might be interested in flipping through.

"The Female Eunuch" by Germaine Greer.

To Serve Man (yes, the Twilight Zone one ;)

I read recently about this cult leader who got her followers to build an underground nuclear bunker and store all of her collected speeches and prophecies in there so they could reconstruct society after the apocalypse. I loved that idea - that some time in the future we might have lost every copy of the Bible, the Koran or the Bhagavad Gita, the collected works of Shakespeare, Melville and Calvino might have gone up in smoke, but these ridiculous crank books would survive as a wholly insufficient testimony to the glories of human civilisation.

So that's why my answer is Dianetics.

"Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix"

The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan.

Actually I'd like to be able to recommend a more practical book -- some sort of "manual for rebuilding civilization from the ground up." Unfortunately I can't seem to locate any such animal. So if we're stuck with books that discuss the general principles of civilization, rather than its practical basics, I'd want one that might help people avoid some of the more brutal and stupid mistakes of the past.

Seems like What to Expect When You're Expecting would be a good idea.

I wouldn't have it be any sort of moral guide. People can work that out from scratch; maybe they'll come up with something saner. (I do like Victor's suggestion of The Demon-Haunted World, maybe as a way to prod folks in the right direction.)

I'd say a foundational text of science and mathematics, like Newton's Principia. People can figure out the rest from there. :-)

The Encyclopedia of Country Living, by Carla Emery.

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Country-Living-Fashioned-Recipe/dp/0912365951

Actually I'd like to be able to recommend a more practical book -- some sort of "manual for rebuilding civilization from the ground up." Unfortunately I can't seem to locate any such animal.

The Foxfire Book could come in pretty handy, assuming there's any arable land in the afterscape.

10) Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Repair
9) Watchmen
8) Mine! - Last of the Grapefruit Wars, available on Amazon!
7) Voynich Manuscript
6) The Road - would that be ironic or sarcastic?
5) Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
4) Anything by Norman Mailer. They tend to be 2 tons apiece and highly effective as weapons
3) 1001 Cookies - Best. Cookbook. Ever.
2) Fodor's Guide to Post-Apocalyptic USA

and the Number One Book Eli Should Have Carried:
1) Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy!!!

The Constitution of the US - The Declaration of Independence - The Gettysburg address - Principia Mathematica - Galen - Hippocrates, etc
There are many secular books that underlie our civilization - but the best thing he could have had was a Kindle with a solar power generator and an encyclopedia.

I would have laughed my ass off if it was a playboy. Though I did laugh my ass off cause it was a bible. What if it was the God Delusion...or Going Rogue...or Eminem's Biography.

Perhaps he should just carry the last remaining map to the long-buried but well-preserved Stephen A. Schwarzman Building at 42nd and 5th. :-)

Catwoman Mad Libs

Animal Farm by Orwell
120 days of Sodom by De Sade
One day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich - Solzchenitsin
The Prince by Machiavelli

They should cover all eventualities.....

Yes, the Bible seems like a very easy choice, MaryAnn. But you talk as if there aren't people who haven't turned to it for comfort when in prison or in other harrowing circumstances.

One of the most moving passages in Leonard Bernstein's Mass--a work that, btw, contains many disparaging comments about 20th century Christians--is a passage in which an idealistic young woman describes the change that a jail-bound boyfriend underwent after he got religion in prison.

Granted, life isn't always that simple in real life. And even people who are genuinely sincere about their religious beliefs--and I've known more than a few who weren't--can still have flaws.

Moreover, there are all too many times when even the most devout religious person needs to follow up his beliefs with deeds more than words, an accomplishment that doesn't always happen.

But it still seems odd this close to MLK's Birthday to hear you argue once again against the importance of religion.

Is it all just pretty words to you? And if so, couldn't the same be said about many of the more secular documents--the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, etc.--that we praise in our contemporary society?

Oh, well. We all have to find our own path in life and unlike other theists who like to post here, I have no interest in forcing you to walk a path you don't feel comfortable with.

Besides, when it comes to movies that tempt you to ask what type of book(s) you would have taken if you were in the place of the main character, I suspect I'd end up preferring a certain George Pal movie based on a novel written by one of those secular English chaps. I can't think of the title right now but I'm sure it will come to me.

Perhaps he should just carry the last remaining map to the long-buried but well-preserved Stephen A. Schwarzman Building at 42nd and 5th. :-)

Bluejay, you just made my mind flash that scene where Snake Plisskin finds Harry Dean Stanton (Brain) in Escape From New York.

How about a field guide to edible plants?

I have not seen this movie because I *knew* they were gonna so that shit.

How about "The Writers Tale" because even in a post-apocalyptic dystopia people will be fighting about whether Russell T Davies was any good.

Oh sorry. I crossed the threads...

The Official Fallout 3 Strategy Guide.

Because you know there would be a bunch of nuts who would look at the pictures and go "It's a book of prophecies!"

Either that or something more useful like The SAS Survival Handbook

Iacocca, or Angela's Ashes (only because our Friends of the Library get so many copies of both that finding one along the way probably wouldn't be that much of a chore, and it could always be used for kindling).

Cat's Cradle, have a sense a humor about the whole end of the world thing.

The Secret. These people just need to be more positive about life. Draw in that energy.

How about A Canticle for Leibowitz?

Bluejay, you just made my mind flash that scene where Snake Plisskin finds Harry Dean Stanton (Brain) in Escape From New York.

Alas, that's one I missed, and had always meant to see. Thanks for reminding me!

*logs onto Netflix*

The English major in me thinks it should be something like Moby Dick or Crime and Punishment, a book that "everyone is supposed to read" these days but rarely ever does. Because it's too easy for Eli's special book to be a Bible--that's something many moviegoers would agree is a significant work, whether they're theists or atheists. Love it or hate it, live by it or consider it a collection of myths, it's still ... the Bible. I think it would make for a far more interesting story if Eli's special book is something that is largely disregarded in our time.

Heck, make it instructions for ready-to-assemble furniture. Now that could make for a storytelling challenge.

Atlas Shrugged, because it upsets both liberals and conservatives equally.

*I don't think anything is spoilerific here, but maybe skip it if you haven't see the movie.*

Maybe this belongs on the review thread (which I have not read), but to me the movie was a light meditation on how people use and interpret the bible.

For Eli, it fueled him and gave him comfort after the apocalypse. For Carnegie (Oldman), it was a tool with a built in mythology for him to exploit, and I also got the feeling it was a personally important book to him, that maybe as a young person it meant alot to him. For Solara (Kunis), it was implied there were no books for her, or they were a rare commodity, so any writing she would have latched onto. I never thought she followed Eli because of the religious words, but because he obviously was living by a different code than the brutal world Oldman's character inhabited.

Be careful what you wish for. Did anyone see Zardoz, maybe the most ridiculous movie I've ever seen, starin Sean Connery as some kind of Post apocolyptic knight in a red diaper. I swear I'm not making this up. Also, a main characters name is "Friend", and at one point people actually chant "Worship the gun, down with the penis." I know you have a big hint considering the thread, but I literally hit my head against the wall that I didn't seen the big reveal coming.

Coup D'Etat: A Practical Manual (Gregor Ferguson)

The Totally Geeky Guide to... well, maybe not.

He should be carrying "The Iliad", the ultimate story of a society destroyed. In his book "The Everlasting Man", G.K. Chesterton said:

"It was called Ilion but it came to be called Troy, and the name will never perish from the earth. A poet who may have been unable to read and write, and was described by tradition as blind, composed a poem about the Greeks going to war with this town to recover the most beautiful woman in the world. That the most beautiful woman in the world lived in that one little town sounds like a legend; that the most beautiful poem in the world was written by somebody who knew nothing larger than such little towns is a historical fact. It is said that the poem came at the end of the period; that the primitive culture brought forth in its decay; in which case one would like to have seen that culture in its prime. But anyhow it is true that this, which is our first poem, might very well be our last poem too. It might well be the last word as well as the first word spoken by man about his mortal lot, as seen by merely mortal vision. If the world becomes pagan and perishes, the last man left alive would do well to quote the Iliad and die."

This is a really tough question.

I'm inclined to go with the ancient Stoic philosopher and ex-slave Epictetus. I think the things he had to say would be very pertinent to a suffering world.

Or maybe come at it from the other direction and give them a book filled with a vision of wonder and hope for human progress. Carl Sagan's COSMOS, maybe.

@Jo: Interesting! I love "The Iliad," but I'm not sure I agree with Chesterton that it should be the last word on human society. (Nor that the world becoming pagan is equivalent to its perishing, but that's another topic.) After all, the story didn't end with Troy, did it? Out of Troy's ashes came forth Aeneas to found Rome; and after Rome's fall came, well, other civilizations. Rebirth always follows death, it seems to me. At least until the second law of thermodynamics runs its full course.

Speaking of The Twilight Zone, if you're planning on reading any books after the Apocalypse, remember to bring your glasses.

Stingraylady, yes, I saw Zardoz. The chant indelibly etched into my memory was this: "The gun is good! The penis is evil!" And really, on what rational basis could anyone possibly disagree? ;)

Despite its many flaws, I actually liked the colossal ambition of that movie. Even if it failed to achieve the greatness it sought, the effort was still... interesting.

Getting back on topic, Carl Sagan's COSMOS would also be an excellent choice as a book worth saving in a world struggling to rebuild.

The Road.

There is only one real book choice -

"To Serve Man"

...wait, oh no... it's a cook book.

Speaker for the Dead... or the Hive Queen and the Hegemon... (In a work of fiction, we can use books which are only mentioned in another work of fiction right?)

Mein Kampf might have made for a nice twist...er, somehow (haven't seen it).

"The Way Things Work"

"The Anarchist's Cookbook"

A Boy Scout Handbook

The Practical:
"SAS Survival Handbook"

The Amusing:
"The Book of the SubGenius : The Sacred Teachings of J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs"
"Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"

The Twist (aka So You Thought It Was Gonna Be The Bible, Huh?):
"The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English" (Penguin Classics version, naturally)
"The Nag Hammadi Scriptures"

Interesting:
Any of National Geographic's photo collections. Imagine the wastelands being all you know, and then there's this book showing utterly beautiful landscapes and animals and peoples. "Through The Lens" would be a good one.

Trouble with survival handbooks - military or civilian - and Boy Scout handbooks, and other such works, is that they tend to at least imply (and in some cases, openly emphasize) how to survive until you get rescued or somehow make your own way back to civilization.

For some odd reason (odd to me, anyway, considering how long fiction has been dealing with various apocalypse scenarios) there still seem to be no books that were written with the goal of teaching readers the basics they need to know if they hope to rebuild after a wholesale collapse of civilization.

I'd be very happy to be proven wrong about this.

...there still seem to be no books that were written with the goal of teaching readers the basics they need to know if they hope to rebuild after a wholesale collapse of civilization.

Victor, your post sent me surfing the Net for such a book, but instead I found the Georgia Guidestones--an actual "apocalypse-proof" monument in northeastern Georgia, with instructions in several languages on how to rebuild civilization. (Okay, not practical basics, but philosophical guidelines--some controversial, naturally.) And it functions as an astronomical calendar, clock and compass. Unbelievable.

Maybe the story of Eli could've been about rediscovering (and fighting over) this monument instead.

Thanks, Bluejay. I'd heard of the Georgia Guidestones before, but never had occasion to look up any detailed information about them. An interesting tale, to be sure.

Unfortunately their "guidance" appears to contain precious little concrete advice (pun intended) of any practical value. One might as well chisel into granite the Douglas Adams paraphrase of the life and message of Jesus, "...who got nailed to a tree for saying how good it would be if we could be nice to people for a change."

Allow me to third Demon-Haunted World.

I know it's been mentioned, but the first to come to mind was "Watchmen." Ultimately, it's about leadership, sacrifice, responsibility, and the cost of ideas.

I would say Watership Down, but the book would have to be instantly recognizable. I think in Zardoz, the book was the Wizard of Oz.

Ceti, Zardoz has nearly the opposite premise, although I'll admit much is murky about that film. Rather than preserving one book as the inspiration for rebuilding civilization, its signature book provides the framework for *preventing* the rebuilding of civilization.