question of the weekend: What word or phrase would you eliminate from the English language, and why?

words

The Associated Press publishes a Stylebook that is considered by many in the industry — from daily newspapers to monthly magazines to Web sites to major book publishers — to be the definitive guide to how to properly and consistently use the English language in written form. And this week, the AP declared that it

no longer sanctions the term “illegal immigrant” or the use of “illegal” to describe a person. Instead, it tells users that “illegal” should describe only an action, such as living in or immigrating to a country illegally.

Whether you agree with this particular directive is a debate for another day. What I want to know is, à la the AP Stylebook:

What word or phrase would you eliminate from the English language, and why?

I don’t mean in a Newspeak sort of way, of course: no language truly benefits from eliminating words. But perhaps there’s a word or phrase that no longer serves the purpose it once did. Or perhaps some otherwise innocuous words have been twisted in shapes they shouldn’t have been.
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David N-T
David N-T
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 11:35am

I hate the phrase “I could care less” simply because it actually means the exact opposite of what its users intend.

Overflight
Overflight
reply to  David N-T
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 7:14pm

Maybe it’s a meta thing: “I am so disinterested in this that even though I COULD be MORE disinterested, I am NOT.” :-P

(Seriously, that annoys me as well)

Isobel_A
Isobel_A
reply to  Overflight
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 9:29am

Uninterested! Disinterested means unbiased.

Overflight
Overflight
reply to  Isobel_A
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 1:27pm

Interesting, I didn’t know that. (English isn’t my native language). Thanks for the info.

Mate Sršen
reply to  David N-T
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 8:53pm

That phrase brings out my violent side. Really, the word “couldn’t” was too long for you? You had to shorten it? Really?!?

Paul
Paul
reply to  David N-T
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 6:35am

Frankly, being British, I couldn’t care less.

amanohyo
amanohyo
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 11:55am

The only word that should be eliminated is “blasphemy” – wrap your brain around that. I’m not advocating censorship, just the gradual extinction of the concept.

Paul Wartenberg
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 12:09pm

I’d like to ban the entirety of Atlas Shrugged if it’s possible.

Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
reply to  Paul Wartenberg
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 8:21pm

Who is John Galt?! Moffat, you magnificent bastard! I read your book! ;)

DuffPaddy
DuffPaddy
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 12:23pm

I’m nominating “moot”. My Oxford Paperback Dictionary, from 1990, has it defined as “debatable, undecided”, which is how I’ve always used it. However it seems to have developed an additional meaning over the last few years, namely “of academic interest only”. For this reason, the phrase “a moot point” could mean either “up for debate” or “not worth discussing”, i.e. two completely opposite things. So because its usage has become so confusing I think the best thing to do is to drop it altogether.

As far as phrases are concerned, “my bad” can just fuck right off. It’s the sort of thing that might sound adorable coming from a three year old with learning difficulties, but that’s about it.

althea
althea
reply to  DuffPaddy
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 1:28pm

This is in the same line as one of my pet peeves, the use of “problematic” to mean an actual problem instead of “doubtful”.

beccity98
beccity98
reply to  althea
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 2:45pm

I see the word ‘problematic,’ and I think of River playing with her food in the Firefly episode ‘The Message.’ “My food is problematic.” Was she using it correctly? I’m not sure I understand what you mean. The online dictionary defines it as something that constitutes a problem, an one of its synonyms is ‘doubtful.’ Maybe I’ve never heard it used incorrectly.

Paul
Paul
reply to  althea
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 6:43am

“Problematic”?

Oh, thank you, thank you for putting this. The number of times it crops up in the papers I have to read. And all it means is that something isn’t perfect which, lets face it, describes most things.

MarkyD
reply to  DuffPaddy
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 1:25am

YES, to “my bad”! Man, I hate that!

Kirk Aplin
Kirk Aplin
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 1:40pm

i wouldn’t eliminate any. To quote Henry Drummond in “Inherit the Wind”: Language is a poor enough means of communication. I think we should use all the words we’ve got.

Tony Richards
Tony Richards
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 2:00pm

This is going to sound crazy but the word “pic”, short for picture, should be banned. It’s like finger nails on a chalkboard every time I hear it. I want to scream “The word is picture!” when someone uses it. Thanks for letting me get that out…very therapeutic.

Dokeo
Dokeo
reply to  Tony Richards
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 7:39pm

I have to admit to using it in emails (I’m in a job that involves combining images with words, so it comes up often), but I’d never actually *say* it out loud. I promise.

FormerlyKnownAsBill
FormerlyKnownAsBill
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 2:16pm

“reverse racism (or sexism, or discrimination, etc.)”

beccity98
beccity98
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 2:36pm

Swag and YOLO. And the shortening of words, like ‘cray’ and ‘probs’ and ‘adorbs’ And white people saying ‘oh, snap.’ (Probably white people saying most slang words/phrases.)
I also say “-ly” (lee) under my breath when it’s needed but people don’t use it. “Serious?” (“-ly”) “Don’t take it personal” (‘personalLY) “Go more slow” “SlowLY!”

Margaret Tougher
reply to  beccity98
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 3:33pm

I mourn the death of the adverb.

FormerlyKnownAsBill
FormerlyKnownAsBill
reply to  beccity98
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 4:35pm

i think the adverb is on its way out. your examples above are perfect — adding “ly” adds nothing; the meaning was crystal clear without it.

beccity98
beccity98
reply to  FormerlyKnownAsBill
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 4:50pm

So, speaking correct(ly) is on its way out? Just because the meaning is crystal clear doesn’t mean you don’t sound stupid. Everyone knows what is meant when others use the wrong ‘your,’ but that doesn’t stop people from wanting them to use it correct(ly).

FormerlyKnownAsBill
FormerlyKnownAsBill
reply to  beccity98
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 5:40pm

eh, i just think what it means to speak correctly will continue to change, and that adverbs such as these might might fade away, like ‘whom’.

Dokeo
Dokeo
reply to  FormerlyKnownAsBill
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 7:34pm

Language does (and needs to) change over time, but I resist anything that reduces clarity and specificity. Personal and personally mean slightly different things. Merging them into one reduces options for infusing writing or speaking with nuance.

cinderkeys
reply to  beccity98
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 5:19am

They’re called flat adverbs, and they don’t bug me. Here’s a nice defense by someone from Merriam-Webster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7epnfcHy5SA

Margaret Tougher
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 3:35pm

If I had to pick one since I could rant about this for hours, I have to go with ‘exact same’. Seriously, the phrase is ‘exactly the same’! If you can’t handle that, say identical!

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Margaret Tougher
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 1:38am

Of course, both phrases are redundant.

lescarr
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 4:15pm

Literally.

Eric
Eric
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 4:24pm

I absolutely despise the word “frenemies”. I don’t even understand the concept of this idiotic word. How the hell can somebody be your friend and your enemy at the same time? You either like someone or you don’t, I think. Also “man cave” needs to get lost as well. Just call it a “rec room” like everybody else does. A “man cave” sounds like a place where Fred Flintstone would hang out.

Lenina Crowne
reply to  Eric
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 10:23pm

“How the hell can somebody be your friend and your enemy at the same time?”

Really? You’ve *never* had one of those relationships? Not even when you were a kid?

Well, trust me, they do happen. It can take a lot of forms (the person in your social circle whom you don’t like, an on-again-off-again friend, a friendly rival, etc.).

ProperDave
ProperDave
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 4:55pm

‘Islamophobia’ : a word created by fascists to manipulate cowards.

Beowulf
Beowulf
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 5:19pm

“Very unique.”

Anne-Kari
Anne-Kari
reply to  Beowulf
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 12:08am

THIS. THANK YOU.

Dokeo
Dokeo
reply to  Beowulf
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 7:37pm

A thousand time this! I try not to take it personally when I hear it, as I know it’s a personal problem of the person saying it. (See what I did there?)

GibsonGirl99
GibsonGirl99
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 5:24pm

Monetize and monetization, as applied to anything but investments or business. Or rather, the concept that any and all things/ideas/people/places/things must be monetized. Meh.

RogerBW
RogerBW
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 6:46pm

“Disinterested.” The idea that there are things on which you can legitimately not hold an opinion is already dead; let’s bury the word that most people only use to mean “uninterested” anyway.

Mittentap
Mittentap
Sat, Apr 06, 2013 9:42pm

I hate the phrase ” # channels and nothing on” or ” Same old shit” .. its like okay, what can I do for you? why say that? Find something else to do for fucks sake

Anne-Kari
Anne-Kari
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 12:12am

Since almost no one uses it correctly, I nominate the phrase “begs the question”. It does NOT MEAN “raises the question”, although it is routinely used that way.

If you have any confusion on this subject, here are a pair of dinosaurs to explain it: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=693

Anne-Kari
Anne-Kari
reply to  Anne-Kari
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 12:18am

Really, JUST TODAY i heard someone on the news using this phrase incorrectly AGAIN.

FormerlyKnownAsBill
FormerlyKnownAsBill
reply to  Anne-Kari
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 5:55am

i think that it has been used incorrectly so frequently for so long that now it means both things.

Anne-Kari
Anne-Kari
reply to  FormerlyKnownAsBill
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 2:43pm

Well yes, there’s certainly an argument to be made for that, but I’m with the T-Rex :)

MarkyD
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 1:30am

“Just sayin(g)”
Anyone who says this needs to be punched in the throat.

Man cave, manscaping, man____.

What the hell is this crap? Just call it what it is! Why do you have to force gender into it?. So stupid.

Danielm80
Danielm80
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 1:43am

I don’t believe in getting rid of words. I believe in making people smarter so they use the words correctly. If anything, we should make up more words, just to keep our language interesting and unpredictable.

Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 3:31am

“Snog.” All the possible synonyms for the word “kiss” that the Brits could have come up with and this is the one word you all settle on? You’re not exactly making a good case for modern English here.

Paul
Paul
reply to  Tonio Kruger
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 6:37am

Equally, all the possible mutilations of the English language that emanate from the British Isles, and you had to settle on this one?

Over “chav”, for example?

Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
reply to  Paul
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 8:34pm

Well, I could have mentioned the word “wog” but it didn’t seem right to mention a word that few modern Britons use nowadays. Especially one that is already dying out–and rightfully so.

Jonathan Roth
reply to  Tonio Kruger
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 2:04am

Ugh, I had that one dropped on me in an MMO a couple years back. As in “There aren’t any wogs here, are there?”

Frankly the entire library of racial and gender-based slurs can die in a fire.

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Tonio Kruger
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 7:52am

“Bonk” as a euphemism for “have sex with” was invented by Neil Gaiman.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  RogerBW
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 1:08pm

Really? That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that. Can I have a citation, please?

Captain_Swing666
Captain_Swing666
reply to  Danielm80
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 2:25pm

Well the OED credits it as Late 20th C so it’s feasible.

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Danielm80
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 7:06pm

It was in the Bristol Arts magazine, equivalent of Time Out.

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Danielm80
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 7:08pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venue_(magazine) was the one I was thinking of, and the term was invented by Gaiman and Eugene Byrne. I don’t have a citation for the invention…

Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
reply to  RogerBW
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 8:26pm

As interesting as that is, what does that have to do with the word “snog”?

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Tonio Kruger
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 8:29pm

Nothing whatsoever, though I find it similarly unaesthetic.

Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
reply to  RogerBW
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 8:57pm

True. You have a point there.

Dokeo
Dokeo
reply to  RogerBW
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 7:43pm

Huh, I always thought “bonk” meant “to bump into,” as in “he bonked his head on the low-hanging branch,” and that “boink” was the sex word. I’m pretty sure there was an entire scene about it in a short-lived NBC sitcom about 10 years ago. Maybe its a British/U.S. difference?

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Dokeo
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 8:10pm

Probably – “boink” sounds American to me, and I think only really came in around 2000 – quite possibly as a variation of “bonk”.

Dr. Rocketscience
Dr. Rocketscience
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 5:50am

On the internet, the phrase “Wow. Just wow.” grates on my like nobody’s business. I’d also like to do away with the phrase “go ahead and” when used as a verbal tic.

Isobel_A
Isobel_A
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 9:35am

‘Pacific’ when people actually mean ‘specific’ makes me furious, every time.

Captain_Swing666
Captain_Swing666
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 12:01pm

The phrase “why should” – it’s used to frame questions that are simply there to confirm the authors bigoted opinion. Such as “Why should my taxes go to pay for all those poor people on benefits?

Frankly anyone who use this particular device deserves that special level of hell (the level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre).

Bluejay
Bluejay
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 1:13pm

“Orientate.” What’s wrong with “orient”?

The redundant double “is” in spoken phrases like “The fact is, is that…” (President Obama does this a lot.) Come to think of it, I’m not a fan of the phrase “the fact is” either. Just state the fact directly.

“Deceptively.” I can never figure out if the adjective that follows is the truth or the deception. If something is “deceptively simple,” is it more complex than it seems, or less complex than it seems? Why not just say so?

Dr. Rocketscience
Dr. Rocketscience
reply to  Bluejay
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 4:02pm

Aluminium vs. Aluminum
Catsup vs. Ketchup.
Gray vs. Grey.

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Dr. Rocketscience
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 7:11pm

Aluminium vs. Aluminum

Read the Wikipedia page – it comes down to someone wanting a distinctive name under which he could sell the stuff…

amanohyo
amanohyo
reply to  Bluejay
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 12:40am

In my opinion, it’s not really some big enormous deal when people are a little tiny bit redundant now and then sometimes. In fact to tell you the truth, I honestly don’t mind it all that much for the most part. I suppose it must be a southern thing – we’ve perfected the art of wasting time through the mutual exchange of deceptively simple, rambling platitudes. Why my grandpa could talk for two hours straight with great conviction and somehow manage not to say a single damn thing worth repeating or even remembering. Actually, that’s probably the main reason people in town always loved to hear him talk – they never had to worry that they might have to listen to something.

Dokeo
Dokeo
reply to  Bluejay
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 7:51pm

“Deceptively simple” is an example of nuance that I really appreciate. It’s “something that seems simple on the surface, but upon examination is more complex than it appears.” I love that two words can be used to convey a concept that takes many more to describe.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Dokeo
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 9:31pm

Huh. Okay. So “deceptively” modifies the deception, not the reality. Is that always the case, though? My iMac dictionary says it can mean “to a lesser extent than seems the case (the idea was deceptively simple),” OR “to a greater extent than seems the case (the airy and deceptively spacious lounge)”. That’s where I get confused.

If a pool is “deceptively shallow,” is it shallower than it seems, or deeper than it seems? Is a “deceptively brave” person someone whose bravado masks cowardice, or someone whose apparent cowardice masks courage? “Deceptively” by itself seems ambiguous. If it needs further context to determine its meaning, then it seems to be a hindrance rather than a help to clear communication.

Why not just say “simpler/harder than it looks,” or “shallower/deeper than it seems,” or “braver/more cowardly than she appears”? That’s not TOO many more words, and you gain in clarity.

Grammarphobia’s take:

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/08/a-deceptively-tricky-word.html

Dokeo
Dokeo
reply to  Bluejay
Tue, Apr 09, 2013 8:43pm

Huh, I don’t recall seeing “deceptively” used to modify any other adjective than “simple.” Having thought it through, I’d formulate the rule as: when deceptively modifies and adjective, the adjective is being called into question. So “X appears deceptively Y” means that X is actually less Y than it appears. But since people do interpret it in opposite ways, and because clarity is a primary goal of good writing, I’ll have to reverse my opinion – it should probably go.I don’t want to accidentally write deceptively!

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Dokeo
Tue, Apr 09, 2013 9:18pm

Yay, I changed someone’s mind on the Internet! This calls for a ginger ale. ;-)

Isobel_A
Isobel_A
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 2:09pm

It’s one of those things where ‘disinterested’ has been so misused that its beginning to be interchangeable. Properly, though, it means without a personal interest in something. So, a disinterested observer/adviser is a good thing – acting without an agenda for personal gain – and not a bad thing, like an uninterested adviser would be.

Dokeo
Dokeo
reply to  Isobel_A
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 7:28pm

Thank you for saving me the trouble of typing this out. “Disinterested” was my immediate thought when I read the question.

Captain_Swing666
Captain_Swing666
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 2:32pm

Not one I’d like to remove, but I’d like to see the insult “Berk” restored to it’s true place. It’s often encountered on pre-watershed TV – however it is rhyming slang, and is the shortened version of “Berkeley Hunt”: guess what swearword rhymes with Hunt?

For those of you with a long memory of Childrens TV in the UK will remember the series “Trapdoor”: Amusingly the main characters name was “Berk” and knowing how erudite the authors were this was no mistake. Beats the hell out of the old “Seaman Staines” myth on Captain Pugwash.

British actors, sneaking foul epithets onto your screens since the 1970’s

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Captain_Swing666
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 7:10pm

Berkshire. There is no Berkeley Hunt.

The “Seaman Staines” thing was invented by a “comedian” in the mid 1990s. It offended John Ryan very greatly; he was very much not the sort of person who would have done such a thing.

Paul
Paul
reply to  RogerBW
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 2:21am

There may well not be a Berkeley Hunt, but that doesn’t preclude its use as rhyming slang. Certainly Berkeley Hunt was the etymology I always heard, and the one that is reported all over. As, indeed, is the existence of a Berkeley Hunt based in Gloucester.

All of this may be wrong, of course…

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Paul
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 8:25am

Fair enough.

Isobel_A
Isobel_A
reply to  Paul
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 12:52pm

But, regardless of whether Berkeley or Berkshire is correct, if berk is descended from B… Hunt, surely we’d be pronouncing it ‘bark’ and not ‘berk’?

Paul
Paul
reply to  Isobel_A
Tue, Apr 09, 2013 8:25am

Berkeley is pronounced ‘berk’ not ‘bark.

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Paul
Tue, Apr 09, 2013 8:34am

In the USA, not in the UK.

Paul
Paul
reply to  RogerBW
Tue, Apr 09, 2013 12:31pm

Obviously I knew that Berkeley Square was, but I’d always heard that the Hunt was different. Strange. You live and learn. Makes the generally accepted etymology of the rhyming slang even more curious.

Captain_Swing666
Captain_Swing666
reply to  RogerBW
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 7:18am

You are correct – although both may be in use. However notice I used the word “myth” when referring to Seaman Staines. (I actually know someone with that name who was going to join the navy – changed his mind at the last moment, I just realised why)

Greyhound
Greyhound
Sun, Apr 07, 2013 6:35pm

“Friendzone.” It’s not so much the word itself as its connotations (“nice guy” BS, etc.).

cinderkeys
Mon, Apr 08, 2013 5:24am

“Just between you and I …”

I don’t mind slangy, informal language. I don’t mind technically nonsensical idioms like “I could care less.” But “between you and I” drives me up a freaking wall because the people who say it are making an effort to be correct. In fact, this type of error is called hypercorrection.

Public service announcement: “Between” is a preposition, which means it takes an object. It’s “between you and ME.”

Thank you. I feel better now.

Dokeo
Dokeo
Tue, Apr 09, 2013 8:47pm

Deep-seeded, when people mean deep-seated. I’ve seen this one in publications, and it just makes me sad.