a few thoughts about Game of Thrones S05 E02 (“The House of Black and White”) and open thread

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I’m not gonna have time to blog in-depth about the new series of Game of Thrones, but I’m posting a few thoughts after each new episode. Please feel free to talk among yourselves about whatever is happening. (And of course I’ll jump into the comments as much as I’m able.)

Until I say otherwise, take it as a given that I love this show for its complex story and its fascinating characters. That’s the baseline that I’m working from.

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So, Braavos is Venice. Cool.

Things that are so not going to work out well:

• Jaime Lannister heading to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece.

• Cersei Lannister basically encouraging the murder of all the dwarfs in Westeros in case one of them turns out to be Tyrion.

Gilly’s story about his sisters’ “grayscale” is horrifying. It sounds like people devolve into some sort of reptilian creature. Terrible.

Early in the episode I was starting to think that perhaps Dany is the only person with any power in this world (and least of those we’ve met) who are in any way decent or have any interest beyond self-interest. (The small bit of evidence we have on the Prince of Dorne suggests he might be okay.) But now that — SPOILER! — Jon Snow is leader of the Night’s Watch, perhaps we can count him, too.

Which made me suddenly wonder whether possession of the Iron Throne is going to eventually come down to a battle between Dany and Jon. Wouldn’t it be interesting if it were a contest between two really good people? (Unless they turn out bad, too. They are both young, after all. Plenty of time for them to get corrupted.)

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jenrsmall
jenrsmall
Tue, Apr 21, 2015 4:40pm

My leading theory is that Jon and Dany will get married and rule jointly, with Tyrion advising them.

Constable
Constable
reply to  jenrsmall
Tue, Apr 21, 2015 5:28pm

Actually they’re brother and sister, Dany with the help of a white haired knight, a veteran of past wars, will rescue the child of an important government official. The child whose home was just recently destroyed has weird hair and is helping to lead a resistance on an icy land. They both have inherent magical abilities that they aren’t fully aware of.

jenrsmall
jenrsmall
reply to  Constable
Tue, Apr 21, 2015 5:36pm

Being brother and sister never slowed the Targaryens down from getting married before, LOL!

Constable
Constable
reply to  jenrsmall
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 4:02pm

Very true, although that may have led to their family history of mental problems.

Jay Matteo
Jay Matteo
Tue, Apr 21, 2015 5:44pm

MaryAnn, you’ve come really close to a well accepted fan theory that’s backed up by a lot of evidence and people-with-a-lot-of-time-on-their-hands digging. I won’t say any more, but it’s out there if anyone wants to look. Search for “R+L=J”.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Jay Matteo
Tue, Apr 21, 2015 9:20pm

I think I’ve heard about that. :-)

Dr. Rocketscience
Dr. Rocketscience
reply to  Jay Matteo
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 5:08am

Why does the internet keep pretending that R+L=J is some sort of secret?

Jay Matteo
Jay Matteo
reply to  Dr. Rocketscience
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 5:11am

Obviously it’s not, though there might still be some people that prefer to remain in the dark. I was trying to be considerate.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Dr. Rocketscience
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 10:27am

Because people like me, who haven’t seen all the episodes yet, can see the posts on the Recent Comments page and don’t want to be spoiled.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Danielm80
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 10:49am

R+L=J isn’t anything that has been mentioned on the show. It’s not a spoiler for the show in any way. It *cannot* be, because it’s a proposed explanation for a mystery the GRRM hasn’t dealt with in the books yet (apparently — I haven’t read them).

Jay Matteo
Jay Matteo
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 5:28pm

I agree that speculation doesn’t count as a spoiler, however the conversations and evidence used to support that speculation can and probably does contain elements that are still forthcoming.

This is going to start getting interesting as the plot of the show threatens to surpass that of the books.

FSLB
FSLB
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 3:51pm

As a book reader, I’m really glad that Brienne (perhaps the most awesomeist character) is doing interesting things. In the books she’s mostly given thematic ‘war is terrible’ materal, which while important to the overall message, is dull. Although I feel so bad for her! She just wants to serve someone good but keeps getting rejected or disillusioned.

MarkyD
Fri, Apr 24, 2015 8:37pm

I’ve actually found these first two episodes to be kind of dull. I know it’s all setup, but still…eh.
Plus, having read the books, I already knew about the important parts, so they didn’t do much for me. Hopefully it all gets better as it goes along.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  MarkyD
Sat, Apr 25, 2015 11:25am

So far, I have loved just visiting these people and places in each episode, even if nothing much happens. It’s such a fully realized world.

Liz D
Liz D
Fri, May 08, 2015 11:24pm

What bothered me about this episode is that Danaerys decided it was really important to give the Harpies guy a trial, but then she didn’t give whats-his-name a trial, she just had him executed. It seemed really inconsistent.