LOL no. Science-fiction writer Judith Tarr breaks down the bullshit on Twitter.
Why am I passing on a Bene Gesserit tv series with all-male creative team?
Because a team that doesn't think to include women writers is extremely likely not to know, understand, or realize what they don't know about the lives, minds, and emotions of women. They don't know what
— Judith Tarr (@dancinghorse) June 11, 2019
they don't know. They won't understand about the world women live in, how it's defined by patriarchy, the compromises, the accommodations, the sacrifices. But most of all, they don't know how women are when men are not the center of their existence. How their frienships work.
— Judith Tarr (@dancinghorse) June 11, 2019
What their priorities are. How they relate to one another. How little, in fact, men matter in a world of women.
An all-male writing team will make the BG about men. When in fact, for the BG, men have little importance or relevance except insofar as the BG manipulate them for
— Judith Tarr (@dancinghorse) June 11, 2019
the purposes of the order. The Kwisatz Haderach is not about male supremacy. He's about smashing it to smithereens.
Male writers won't comprehend this. They won't even try. We'll get another maiden-mother-whore fantasy centered around the idea that women are a weak subset of
— Judith Tarr (@dancinghorse) June 11, 2019
the default male. Instead of the default from which the male derives.
Women writers might get sucked into the patriarchal assumptions they've had to cater to in order to get anywhere in male-dominated H'wood, but most of the creatives now are saying Fuck That Shit.
— Judith Tarr (@dancinghorse) June 11, 2019
(Click any of these tweets to read more in the thread.)
Thanks to reader RogerBW for the heads-up.
was she asked to write it? participate (if so then it wouldn’t be all male) … it’s not her original creation, not sure of her point… i mean, i get the point about not wanting all men to write the series about a female order, but *how* was she involved in it to make the protest?
Just speculation here, but that creative team might have had the sudden epiphany that they’d need a token female in the room. It will be interesting to see how many women will be credited if/when this airs.
I presumed she means she’s “passing” on it in the sense that she won’t watch it. There’s no indication that she has or had any connection to the production itself.
Was this meant as an ironic series of comments? She does realize that the Bene Gesserit were created and written about by a man? Or does she think that Frank Herbert was a woman? I’m a bit confused by the whole series of rants.
I mean I’m not railing against having women participating in a TV-series that deals with an all female societal order, on the contrary I’m all for it, but there seems to be something ironic about railing against a male presence in the writing room for a series about an female societal order that came from the imagination of a male writer.
Maybe it’s just me…..
But it’s not 1965 any more. Most people, even most TV producers, would now think that, say, a series about Arabic refugees in America should employ some Arabic people. But women? Meh, who needs to hear from them?
But the only news I can find about the series is that Dennis Villeneuve wants to direct the pilot (as he’s also directing the movie adaptation of Dune itself) and that the screen writer of the movie is writing the scripts (except it’s not clear if that is just for the pilot episode or the entire series). If there will be a writers room for the rest of the series it isn’t beyond the realm of possibilities that women will play a role in that. And I don’t think that Dennis Villeneuve wants to direct the entire tv-series himself , so there is plenty of room for female directors to come in and work on this project. Besides that Kim Herbert, the granddaughter of Frank Herbert, is mentioned as an executive producer so the claim of no female involvement in the production team isn’t true (yes, I realize that the inclusion of one female in the production team isn’t the strongest indication of the inclusion of female voices in this show, but i think it’s a bit early to come out with the fire and brimstone on this project)
Given the state of Hollywood, it’s entirely likely that no women could be involved.
Kim Herbert has no credits that aren’t related to Dune. It’s very likely she has no creative input whatsoever.
So if a man created something, women should never reinterpret it decades later? Even when the original might have had some issues and *needs* to be rendered relevant half a century on?
Just happened to come across this (blog?) looking for the movie The Ghost and the Darkness and the first one to come up (Google; Big surprise) was an article that ended on the mandatory “PC” note about the wifey being left at home while the husband went on his big adventure. It took a few minutes to realize that the “reporter” is probably a product of these “gender studies” in our universities. And this website a nod to feminist studies….or something. I get confused with all the shit they come up with today.
Both the review and the movie, by the way, get it totally wrong when it comes to “lion hunter” Col. JH Patterson.
I’m not. Nowhere near. But no one’s forcing you to read my work. So you can fuck right off with your misogynist bullshit.
How is calling out folks more concerned with gender politics, instead of reviewing the movie misogynistic?
Just like your review of Aquaman…you were actually upset that the movie was about him, and not is female co-starts and you complained about things that weren’t even a problem if you actually knew the mythos and paid attention to the story instead of looking for reasons to complain and virtue signal.
I see reviews like yours more and more on more and more sites and its not really someone reviewing the content of the film..its them reviewing content they BELIEVE the films needs in order to pass their feminist smell test.
She is reviewing the movie. She’s saying that the female characters aren’t believable or interesting. And in the case of Aquaman, she’s saying that both the women and men are dull stereotypes.
The series she’s talking about here has—or at least had—an opportunity to make the characters more original and more convincing and seems to have ignored it.
By the way, I read through your Disqus feed to check whether you were an actual person or some sort of parody, since your comment was full of Bingo card clichés. I’m glad I did, because it included a link to a terrific article from last August. Unsurprisingly, you hated it, but I’m posting it here to cheer up some of my fellow SJWs during a lousy week.
https://www.themarysue.com/dan-slott-spider-man/
“She’s saying the female characters aren’t believable or interesting”
Yes, because they aren’t the exact type of female characters she wants, which is to dominate the narrative and be the main focus…thats why this isn’t much of a review…because it drips if not oozes with typical feminist dogma.
Even more, she was wrong considering the movie actually features prominent female characters with their own agency, who actually save the main hero various times.
Its just like the backlash to Captain Marvel from some feminist. They argue that since she was trained by a man, then it doesn’t count.
Unless every little box is checked, then its not good enough, and even then thats not enough.
You’re so close to getting it. Keep trying.
I don’t think you understand what “backlash” means.
Ah, yes a snarky response….shocker.
I know what backlash means…SJW wrote the book.
Thought I would respond in kind.
BTW, it tickles me that you thought I was a parody simply because I’am not in lockstep with SJW’s.
Lmao.
Folks like you are the VERY reason I no longer consider myself progressive or anywhere near the SJW’s of today.
I’m sure all the SWJs and progressive are heartbroken that you’ve abandoned us.
Well, they tend to get heartbroken at the slightest thing..so, no surprise there.
Went and made a few choice comments on Judith Tarr’s Twitter then got this:
“The Tweet you are trying to reply to has been deleted or is not visible to you.
What a hoot. I’d just replied to her post;”Give us a team of women for your BG series and it may be worth watching. Otherwise? High probability it won’t be worth my time.”
I replied: That’s the thing; Don’t fucking watch it!
It’s called a “choice”.
I’ve found that if I get out of line with the Twitter Mob/Nazis for saying the wrong thing I get called names then blocked and then banned. Or rather Disappeared Soviet style by guys/gals calling Trump a “Nazi”.
Is this typical or what. I get this All The Time from these Twitter and Fakebook Nazis using fascist “Community Standards” thought police to shut people down by “reporting” them for “hate speech”.
You know; Don’t just suspect your neighbor. Turn him in.
It’s her account. If she doesn’t like your tweets, she doesn’t have to fucking read them.
It’s called a “choice.”
We call this “cowardice” where I come from.
Like hiding behind phony monikers and pretending you’re standing on principles and claiming you have the courage of your convictions.
Like spewing a bunch of leftist bullshit and when you’re called on it calling someone names, running away screaming like a little girl and then “blocking”/Censoring you either individually or through Big Brother “Community Standards” thought police.
Or like calling people “Nazis” and then proceeding to act like a lynch mob by beating a small Asian gay guy almost into a coma.
By rioting because Milo was going to speak.
By blocking Robert Spencer because he stands up for both Muslim and non-Muslim women and girls being raped on an industrial scale.
And on and on and on and…….
What an entitled little snowflake you are. Whining because someone banned you from their personal Twitter account. That’s private space, not a public square. If you were talking trash at her in her living room, she has the right to kick you out and refuse to let you back in. No matter how many times you yell “coward” outside her window.
You have the freedom to say what you want, but other people have the freedom to react to it, and to say what THEY want about it, and to refuse to listen to you. Your freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.
You have the nerve to talk about Nazis when the people you support are chanting fucking racist chants and putting families and kids in concentration camps and turning this into a “papers please” nation. Yap your mouth all you want, but you know what MY freedom of speech allows me to tell you? That you can take your racist sexist white hypocritical entitled snowflake ass and go to fucking hell.
I HAVE to address this last: “What an entitled little snowflake”
I might be mistaken; But this looks like a classic example of “projecting”. Especially the “entitled” part. Or it looks like you’re confused with your leftist bullshit. It’s the little college dweebs who think they’re entitled to “free education” free this and free that.
You are charming. I invite you again to fuck off, before you get banned here, too.
The irony is screaming, if only you could hear it.
Like this, you fucking shit?
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2019/07/22/dallas-born-citizen-picked-border-patrol-detained-three-weeks
GO. TO. HELL.
Rant as much as you want. Call me an idiot as much as you want. I already know all your arguments and it’s not worth another second of my time to convince all the fucking bigots of this country that they’re wrong. I’m just going to fight you and all the fuckers like you who are making this country a living hell for everyone who doesn’t look like you. I’m done debating assholes like you. Whether or not you know it, whether or not you hear from me again, whether or not you know what goddamn issues I care about and how I act in the real world to address them, I am going to fight to make this a world where fuckers like you are NEVER in a position to make anyone else feel scared and vulnerable and hurt EVER AGAIN.
Ignore me, dismiss me, laugh at me, feel whatever you want about me, I don’t fucking care. Go write as many long-ass letters to progressives as you want, and have fun pretending you’ve won. But I and others will be here, and we are COMING FOR YOUR WORLD. And we will make it a better one, whether you vile shitheads like it or not.
“A Dallas-born citizen picked up by the Border Patrol has been detained for three weeks, his lawyer says”
Put this under “Shit Happens”
Thanks to the “Democratic” Socialist Party open border policies we now have tens of thousands of illegals trying to crash our southern border.
It’s absolutely astounding that you wouldn’t understand somebody getting caught up in this “Democratic” created disaster.
Again; You answer the question “Can they really be that stupid?”
And again; Try reading something different than the leftist trash. Like FrontPage Magazine. Gatestone Institute which you STUPIDLY dismissed or ignored out of hand when I suggested them to you.
When I suggested you read Michael Cutler’s articles regarding our border and national security.
You’re an IDIOT, (That’s right I called you a name), that you almost casually ignore, dismiss other sources like FrontPage, Gatestone, Jihad Watch and others.
Again; How depressing the sheer number of people in this country who simply don’t read or study the issues. And playact that they do.
So you’re actually fine with people being disappeared into a gulag, as long as it’s just the brown people.
I have no words for what a fucking monster you are. Fuck. You.
You really are a fucking idiot; “brown people disappearing in a Gulag” and “monster”? Really?
Again Mr. Too Cowardly To Use His Own Name my girlfriend of 4 and 40 years was a MEXICAN. And you missed the part about ALL my “significant others” being “women of color”. It’s not about “race” asshole. It’s about the fucking LAW. You simply believe laws don’t apply to “brown people”.
That’s how stupid you are. And too lazy to fucking READ people like Michael Cutler and others at FrontPage and face the TRUTH.
And you’re okay with “brown people” walking in your front door, your “house”, to rob and murder you and rape and murder your wife and daughter. Which is exactly what you’re telling me. You’d prefer a free pass for anyone who wants to simply walk across our borders. That’s the definition of insanity in case you’re wondering. Or an immature punk living in his mother’s basement.
And now you ARE banned.
Frankly, I’m not okay with anyone — brown or otherwise — walking in my front door to rob or murder or rape anyone. Nor are any of the people in my family. Nor are any of my friends.
And after having known at least three white women who have had the shit beaten out of them by their white ex-husbands — and after having once attended a memorial service for a young Latina girl who had been shot to death by her Anglo stepfather — I’d rather not hear any more lectures on the evils of BROWN PEOPLE.
And spare me the “some of my best friends are…” speech. A large part of my family consists of brown people — and my first two girlfriends were actual Mexican citizens. So I’m not impressed by your ethnic bona fides. .
Yeah, you’re banned. Yeah, I’m going to reply anyway, because I think this is important and because I can. So what. Fuck you.
And yet you’re perfectly fine with AN AMERICAN CITIZEN BEING DETAINED BY ICE FOR A MONTH because they wouldn’t believe a brown man’s claim of citizenship. Think this is a fluke? ICE has wrongfully detained nearly 1500 US CITIZENS since 2012. How many of them are white, do you think? How much good did THE FUCKING LAW do them when they asserted their citizenship? What are the chances ICE would come up to YOUR white ass on the street and ask you to prove your citizenship right there and then? This has ALWAYS been about race, and about terrorizing people who don’t look like you. Whether they’re citizens or not.
THE FUCKING LAW has always equated citizenship with whiteness, whether we want to admit it or not. THE FUCKING LAW said the Chinese couldn’t be citizens. THE FUCKING LAW said Dred Scott couldn’t be a citizen because he wasn’t white. THE FUCKING LAW criminalized border crossings in the 1920s to limit Mexican immigration. THE FUCKING LAW deported 1.8 million Mexicans in the 1930s, 60% of whom were US citizens. THE FUCKING LAW rounded up and incarcerated American citizens in WWII because they were of Japanese ancestry. And now THE FUCKING LAW says ICE can deport you without a hearing if you can’t prove you’ve been in the US for two years. How many white people are going to be asked to prove they’ve been in the US for two years? How many brown people, including citizens, are going to be ripped from their families and homes, without even a chance to argue their case in court?
Citizenship has ALWAYS been conditional for nonwhite Americans. We have to deal with all the bullshit of birtherism and “Where are you REALLY from?” and “Go back to your country” and “Send her back” even if we’re US born-and-raised or naturalized like THE FUCKING LAW requires. Our presence here is challenged over and over and over again AND IT IS EXHAUSTING. And this is ALL apart from the fact that even undocumented people deserve to have due process and to be treated with dignity instead of being thrown into concentration camp conditions, and that this presidency is making it harder and harder even for people LEGALLY SEEKING ASYLUM to ask permission and abide by THE FUCKING LAW. Because cruelty to brown and black people, citizens or not, is the fucking POINT.
To MaryAnn, I apologize for derailing the thread. To Larry the Asswipe, I apologize for NOTHING. Fuck you, fuck your idiocy, and fuck this white supremacist system that operates with your approval, you absolute fucking ignorant racist tool.
No apology needed. I am fucking furious at this shit too, and equally outraged that there are Americans who think the crimes this nation is currently committing (never mind all the crimes of its past) show America in a good light, or represent American ideals. Ideals America has rarely lived up to, true, but that’s another entire outrage to be furious about. We can and must do better. But we never will as long as assholes like Larry insist that everything is fine.
At this point, I think, most of the Captain America stories I’ve read or watched have been about Steve opposing the actions of the U.S. government. Since he’s supposed to be a symbol of the country, that says something about the state of the country.
Of course, Thomas Jefferson said that there should be a revolution every 20 years, so maybe a subversive rebel is the best possible symbol of America.
And it continues.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/julia-isabel-amparo-medina-immigration-border_n_5c96aa60e4b0a6329e177fbb
Fuck this shit and everyone who supports it.
Oh, please. Our own current president had no problems hiring illegal aliens when it was convenient for him.
And few of his supporters criticized him for it. And indeed, the very fact that he got such a big handwave on the issue by people who supposedly cared so much about illegal immigration gave me one of those Michael Corleone “the rebels are going to win because they are not being paid to fight and yet they fight anyway” type of moments that made me suspect that Trump was going to win in 2106, no matter what he did or said.
Plus as Bluejay said, there are bigger problems — and not all of them are being caused by the Democrats.
That’s right, asswipe. Keep talking.
Really “Bluejay” is this the best you can do?
Just got a message regarding this link or my comment. “Detected as spam”
What the hell is that about?
Go talk to Disqus.