‘Doctor Who’ blogging: “Victory of the Daleks”

(all spoilers! don’t read till you’ve seen the episode! and no comments from party poopers — this is a love fest only / previous: “The Beast Below”)
Cracks in the universe are evil. Bad, bad crack:

And cracks in the universe lead to all sorts of questions. Like how come Winston’s past with the Doctor hasn’t changed while Amy’s memories — or the whole world around her — have? Amy doesn’t remember the events of “The Stolen Earth” or the battle of Canary Wharf, implying not that her memory is faulty but that her Earth simply did not endure these things. But Winston has a past that the Doctor remembers too, of previous meetings and adventures spanning multiple regenerations — “So you changed your face again,” Winston says, totally comfortable with the notion — and that past persists even in the cracked universe. (Oh, my brain hurts from the lack of verb tenses to deal with temporal distortions!) Why? Presumably the crack in the universe is wibbly wobbly, timey whimey… so why have some bits been altered and not others?

And Winston prompts other questions, too: Which Doctors has Winston met before, and when?

Ya gotta wonder if Amy is, at this juncture, worrying that she’s gotten herself into something she shouldn’t have. The nice raggedy Doctor of her childhood dreams and fantasies is all of a sudden raging at the nice ironsides robots who just want to help the Allies defeat the Nazis and bring everyone a cup of tea. What. The. Hell:

It’s pretty horrifying even for us, who know the Doctor so well, to see him just flat-out whaling on a Dalek like that. He can barely contain himself just looking at these seemingly polite and helpful robots. What a mindfuck for him!

But there’s more to bother Amy, perhaps, too: How he shushes her when she suggests he listen to Bracewell because he’s “a Scottish genius.” How he calls her “Amelia” when he gets annoyed with her (like her aunt probably does!). How he tells her “You’re not helping” later, with her red wire/blue wire nonsense.

Tetchy. Tetchy tetchy. It’s a nice harkening back to Peter Davison’s Doctor, the old man in the young man’s body. Matt Smith is getting it so right.

Still, Amy likes him more than she thinks she should. Like we all do. “Ever fancied someone you know you shouldn’t?” she asks Bracewell, but looks at the Doctor:

“Hurts, doesn’t it?” she continues. “But kind of a good hurt.” Does the Doctor agree?

Or is he just pleased at how well her tactic seems to be working to defuse the bomb inside Bracewell? He is quite delighted with her:

But perhaps it’s just relief that the planet hasn’t blown up.

Gosh, but is this new Doctor always going to be late? He made Amy wait 14 years, and Winston only a month… but what a month! If he’d come when Winston had called, would he have saved himself all this heartache, having to choose between saving the Earth and destroying the Daleks? If only he could have told Winston not to embrace Bracewell and his “inventions,” all this could have been prevented.

*sigh* I’d like to see new monsters and enemies, but I guess we’re never gonna get Doctor Who without Daleks. Hopefully something new will be done with the new-paradigm Daleks from here on out.

Random thoughts on “Victory of the Daleks”:

• “Doctor, it’s…” Amy says, as they stare out over London:

“History,” he replies, seemingly as awed as she is. Which is sort of amazing. When Doctor Who began, back in 1963, the blitz was just barely outside current events. Today, it’s outside living memory for most people watching this, and for almost everyone onscreen and behind the cameras. Probably Matt Smith’s grandparents were only just busy being born during WWII…

• Geez, Amy must be the tallest companion ever. She’s almost as tall as the Doctor, and without even wearing heels!

Oh, and Jack and Rose are out there somewhere, aren’t they? There’s an invisible spaceship parked in front of Big Ben, and Jack and Rose are having champagne out on the balcony. Or has that been erased by the crack in the universe?

• I know, I know: the Doctor has to set a good example for the kiddies, so of course he doesn’t like Winston Churchill’s cigar:

But I like to think that the Doctor has done it all: he smokes, he drinks, he has sex with all sorts of inappropriate beings, he eats carbs, he double-parks, he jaywalks, and so on, and so on. What’s the point of being him if you can’t have all the fun the universe has to offer?

• Last words I’d ever have expected to hear out of a Dalek:

“Would you care for some tea?” *snort*

• Nice echo with Rose:

Rose wasn’t afraid of her first Dalek, either, if for different reasons. (It’s nice for the Doctor that he’s got such smart, spunky, brave girls hanging around with him these days.)

• I propose we get rid of the Moon. It’s too convenient a hiding place for invading aliens:

• Dude, it’s a cookie:

Oh, it actually is a cookie:

To be fair, he was promised tea. And cookies are good. The Daleks have no idea what they’re missing…

• These new Daleks

make me think of, like, fun little Volkswagen SUVs. Like blond tanned young people should be driving them in a sunny TV ad, laughing and enjoying life in their sporty vehicles. Four colors to choose from!

They’ve got some junk in the trunk:

And — damn! — they’re a lot bigger than the classic Daleks:

I’m not sure why that should make them scarier — does it really matter whether the pepperpot robot exterminating you is five-foot-ten or six-foot-three? — but it does.

• Vacuumpunk!

These new episodes are especially beautifully designed.

• I love, in that last shot, the unexpected angle on planet Earth. Why do aliens almost always seem to approach Earth from the same angle our atlases do? What are the chances of that? There’s no up or down in space… ’bout time science fiction recognized that reality.

• “Oblivion continuum” is an excellent bit of technobabble. I predict that three bands are being formed at this very moment with that name. And another two are dubbing themselves the Gravity Whatsits.

• Speaking of which… the oblivion continuum will “detonate… and the Earth will bleed through into another dimension”? Perhaps that’s already happened…

• I love Bill Paterson. He’s so cute!

Bracewell has got to come back, hasn’t he? He could even return in a story set in the distant future, couldn’t he? I mean, he’s a robot — he won’t age. (I do wonder whether Bracewell has ever opened his shirt before. How could he not know he was a robot? I suppose he was programmed not to think about it.)

• Great quotes:

“I don’t give a damn if you’re a machine, Bracewell. Are you a man?” –Winston

“And here’s me thinking we’d just be running through time being daft and fixin’ stuff.” –Amy, upon learning the Doctor has “archenemies”

“I’m always worried about the Daleks.” –the Doctor

(next: Episode 4: “The Time of Angels”)

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Les Carr (wibbly wobbly timey whiner. in recovery)
Les Carr (wibbly wobbly timey whiner. in recovery)
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 2:04am

So, Amy Pond can’t remember the Daleks or the planets in the sky? And this is the same Amy Pond who has two years missing in her story? Now if she hadn’t been so genuinely surprised about the TARDIS in TBB then I would have said that the Doctor will go back and remove her from the ‘normal’ RTD-controlled timestream. Exactly how much has Amy missed? And how long (subjectively) did she spend missing it? And to Whom did she get so attached that she was going to get married?

Oh, the speculation!

Les Carr (wibbly wobbly timey whiner. in recovery)
Les Carr (wibbly wobbly timey whiner. in recovery)
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 2:14am

How is BBC America giving out previews that we (the British) haven’t seen, for episodes that we haven’t had?

Still, I love this snippet of River Song’s relationship with the Doctor, and the TARDIS. I wonder how that’ll go down with Amy?


Mon, Apr 19, 2010 2:46am

What was the deal with the radar tech’s pilot boyfriend? I guess they were just establishing pathos, which is cool with me, but it seemed like they focused on it quite a bit, returned to it, then just resolved it with “he went down over the channel.” And that was the end of it.

Oh, and Space Spitfires? FUCKING AWESOME. I would watch a show about just about anything if it had goddamned Space Spitfires

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 3:20am

Biscuit, please!

Although I did wonder how the spitfires worked in space – how is the propeller propelling when there’s no atmosphere? I don’t particularly care, though – there are few things more fun than a spitfire (it’s called a spitfire! How great is that?).

Does anyone know what order the episodes were filmed in? It struck me that perhaps this episode was filmed earlier than The Beast Below as both The Doctor and Amy seemed a little less settled in their roles.

With the robot Paisley boy – didn’t The Doctor undo his skin with the sonic screwdriver?

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 3:50am

If he’d come when Winston had called, would he have saved himself all this heartache, having to choose between saving the Earth and destroying the Daleks? If only he could have told Winston not to embrace Bracewell and his “inventions,” all this could have been prevented.

I’m seeing this as yet more evidence that the TARDIS is the one doing the driving, and is deliberately changing the time/destination to when/where it knows the Doctor will be needed, not wanted.

The way I see it, turning up a month earlier would have been much worse, as the Daleks were already there, and waiting for him. As soon as he gave his ‘testimony’, they’d have won.
But by waiting for a month, Bracewell had time to come up with all these helpful inventions that you can bolt onto a Spitfire.

It’s a little telling that when trying to get Bracewell in touch with his humanity, the Doctor focuses on pain and suffering, and doesn’t seem to even consider love. Is this how he sees humanity, or are these the parts of huimanity that he identifies with (if there’s anyone who knows suffering and loss, it’s the Doctor)?

I think the new Daleks were designed to match the new Doctor and companion, and the eye-stalks are now at eye level (there’s something less menacing about an enemy that has to crane it’s ‘neck’ up to look you in the eye).

I liked that they got away at the end, too. It might make future stories a bit less formulaic, as all the recent ones were all ‘these are the last of the Daleks, now they’ve been wiped out for good’, which no-one buys, and it just means you have to come up with a new way for them to have miraculously survived.

Leslie Carr
Leslie Carr
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 4:58am

@NickT Now we are not limited to new ways for the Daleks to have miraculously survived. Now we can also look forward to the miraculous survival of more Progenitor Devices, with heavens knows how many more Dalek Paradigms – and colour schemes.

(I know I sound cynical, but actually I’m quite excited.)

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 5:10am

This was the first nuWho that I didn’t like. The nuDaleks are horrible, even cartoonish but not in that good way. The Churchill scenes were just cringe-worthy.

But I felt most let down by the lack of true 40s atmosphere.

Still it took them five years to serve up a genuine clunker so it’s easy to forgive.

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 6:59am

I don’t think I’ll ever look at a jammy dodger (cookie/biscuit) the same again.

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 7:53am

The color patterns of the Daleks are supposedly based on the first Peter Cushing Dr. Who movie. In truth, they’ve been taken over by Apple. They’re iDaleks (with 4 TB of room for your iTunes!).

Winston’s knowing previous Doctors is to allow the novels and audio performances retain some place in canon. The Sixth Doctor (Colin Baker) had some audiobooks I think with Churchill making cameos.

My problem with the 11th Doctor so far? Still no Draconians showing up. C’mon guys, bring in your Klingons…

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 8:35am

The new Daleks are probably also larger for production reasons. They were very uncomfortable for the short operators to, er, operate. Wikipedia quotes an original Dalek operator on this, John Scott Martin. The increased height and ‘junk in the trunk’ probably makes for a roomier Dalek to plot the dustruction of all sentient beings in.

Still, I don’t like the iDalek colors. As supremely rational, goal-oriented beings, I doubt they’d spend a lot of time on snazzy paint jobs.

Leslie Carr
Leslie Carr
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 8:57am

@EllieW My favourite Jammie Dodger-based quote: “Don’t mess with me, sweetheart.”

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 8:59am

I loved it – especially the Jammie Dodger – and more importantly my five-year-old daughter loved it too!

Proper Dave
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 9:46am

Ohmigod I’m excited. Not about series five, which hasn’t quite gelled for me yet, but about this:


Mon, Apr 19, 2010 10:40am

Some of the Peter Cushing Daleks from the Dr. Who movies (he was a human with the last name Who) were colored. Between this and the sticker on the Tardis it’s obvious PM is a fan of the old school. Although the movies were pretty bad.

As for Amy not remembering and Winston Churchill there are two explanations.

One is that only that one event was wiped out which means Winstons life is unchanged.

Or it could simply be that meeting the Doctor and being involved with him grants you the ability to remember Paradoxes. Martha remembers all of the Master stuff from Last of the Timelords even though none of that actually happened either. Also Rose in Fathers Day remembers things that hadn’t happened so the Doctor and the Tardis once involved kind of stick things as happened for the people around him even if the final timeline says otherwise. Hence dealing with the Doctor

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 10:46am

It’s definitely my least favorite episode so far. It still had plenty of moments of praise of course but I’m SO BORED by the Daleks. I guess we can’t ever truly get away from them, but would it have been too much to ask for at least ONE Dalek-free season? Oh well.

Their new look is hilarious. Already people are making comparisons to Apple products (why not Android?) and my favorite, the Power Rangers. Ha!

Anyways, back to the episode… it was sort of a mess, wasn’t it? I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt to some plot holes (maybe they’ll be filled in the long run with the big crack-in-the-wall arc) and some odd character moments (maybe Karen and Matt are still getting used to their roles). All of that plus the Daleks, it really took great effort for me to not tune out the episode. Oh well.

I predict though that next week will blow everyone away. How could it not?

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:11am

Although I did wonder how the spitfires worked in space

Gravity whatsits! Er, gravity bubbles, or so Bracewell says.

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 11:52am

There’s an unexplained scene in The Eleventh Hour that I think will later be pointed to as to the cause of Amy’s strange situation.

At the end of the episode, when the Doctor moves forward for the last time (and ends up 2 years after the events in the hospital) it briefly shows a scene of Young Amelia Pond sitting outside her house with her luggage during the day-time. As the TARDIS sound is playing, she looks up and smiles. Then the scene suddenly cuts to the night-time ‘present’ where the Doctor picks up Amy the day before her wedding.

Something clearly happened to young Amelia the day after she met the Doctor. Perhaps a future version of the Doctor will go back and pick her up as originally promised but be forced to erase her memories of her travels with him or, somehow, he returns her after the events of Canary Wharf/Planets In the Sky, such that she misses the major Dalek events.

Time will tell, but I’m positive that scene is there for a reason.

Jeff Moore
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 12:16pm

I loved the episode. I like that we’ve given the Daleks a genuine reboot. I don’t mind the colors. I like to think that the Daleks use these like uniforms in Star Trek to designate roles and rank, and that is logical … and if you are going to use colors why not bright easily discernible ones? Daleks don’t feel the need to “hide” or be inconspicuous. That’s less their style then the bright colors. (Although, I must admit the reveal had me thinking “toy line.”)

I like the theory that anyone who has traveled with the Doctor (maybe having their mind effected by the psychic link with the TARDIS … the same link that allows them to understand alien languages) is immune to the absence of memory due to temporal anomalies effecting historical events. But, I am betting the writers of the show will have a different answer, as the Doctor seems puzzled by the situation too, and if this were the answer I would think he would know that.

I too am a bit tired of the Daleks, but I loved this episode specifically because of the way it treated the Daleks. It made them better than they were. I loved that half the story was the mystery of their plan. I loved that they demonstrated a greater ability at restraint (to achieve their goals) than the Doctor. I like that they counted on this as part of their plan. I like that the Daleks aren’t emotionless and that the emotions of pain and suffering didn’t counter their technology … but that it was the emotions of love that did. I love that Amy thought of this and the Doctor didn’t. I love that this episode shows us Daleks that are clever, creative and thinking outside the box so to speak. And I loved that this story was a single parter that didn’t attempt to be too big. Unfortunately, I know that it’s likely just a prequel for something to come later this season … which is too bad, because if we had to wait another year or more before we see the Daleks again it would only serve to make this episode all the better.


Les Carr
Les Carr
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 2:03pm

@Proper Dave OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!!!!!!!Jo Grant!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG squeeeeeeeeeeeee

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 4:17pm

I do wonder if the cracks are somehow caused by Amy and if this has to do with her lacking memory of the Daleks. I’ve considered a few things like somehow her trying to find a way to go back and change her probably painful and confusing childhood which inevitably messes everything up.

I’m loving Matt Smith’s Doctor.

Who doesn’t adore someone who can stave off the Daleks with a Jammie Dodger!

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 4:37pm

MaryAnn, I’m fairly certain that older incarnations of the Doctor probably did enjoy cigars and brandy and all sorts of sinful behavior, along with beans and bacon and apples without faces. This Doctor, though, is new, literally; he’s young, eternally. He’s Peter Pan. I don’t see Peter Pan liking cigars, or remembering that his friend Amy is a girl for more than ten seconds at a time.

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 8:18pm

I love the jammie dodger! Mainly because it is poking fun at one of my favorite sci-fi cliches! Why would you design a ship/spacecraft/military base/etc. with a single self destruct button?

In Nu-who, the one that really stood out was in “Waters of Mars” when

old spoilers!

the spaceship is ready to take off and is compromised, so Ed leans over and punches in a simple code, and auto-destruct is enabled and the ship blows up! Why would anyone have designed an auto-destruct feature? Did they have one in the Apollo spacecraft? The International Space Station? Seems unlikely…

Mon, Apr 19, 2010 10:42pm

I think that the Doctor caused the crack in the universe with his massively spectacular TARDIS-burning regeneration. I think he landed in a parallel universe but he was too busy “cooking” to notice. Hey, if RTD could close the walls between parallel universes, what’s to stop the Moff from opening them up again?

My biggest problem with this episode was the size of Winnie. OK, he wasn’t exactly svelte, but he wasn’t obese either. Sheesh. Of course, if it is a parallel, that would explain Big Winnie, too. :P

@Proper Dave, @ Les Carr — OH YES! OMG. I’m starting to think of the Sarah Jane Adventures as THE show and DW as the spinoff at this point! Roll on, September!! Can hardly wait to see Sarah’s reaction to Eleven!

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:18am

I’m sure he’s opened his shirt before… he just didn’t have a sonic screwdriver handy:

Actually, I could see Bracewell as the cause of the cracks in the world/etc. With the damaged (destroyed) hand, he’s got a bit of Dr. Strangelove going on, and the historical setting is consistant with an altered future/past for Amy Pond.

Ryan H
Ryan H
Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:16am

Actually, with the destroyed hand he has a bit of a Davros thing going on.

Steve (UK)
Steve (UK)
Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:08pm

Hang on, I thought The Doc couldn’t cross his own timelines under any circumstances??

I know the Ninth story may have been erased because of the crack-saga, but surely The Doctor remembers this in priciple and yet still decides to go!

Wow, this really is a reckless Doc.

Is it me or does Karen Gillan have no presence in a scene?

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 12:23pm

My biggest problem with this episode was the size of Winnie. OK, he wasn’t exactly svelte, but he wasn’t obese either. Sheesh. Of course, if it is a parallel, that would explain Big Winnie, too. :P

i think we have an exaggerated idea of WC’s size today. first of all, he was a short man with a very round head, which gives an impression of real obesity which doesn’t necessarily follow. secondly, he was just as subject to rationing during the war as every other british subject. rationing in britain went on from 1939 to 1953! thirdly, look at the pictures of Churchill taken during the war, and you will see that yes, he has a paunch, but he was a desk jockey; and he also has a stoop that makes him look heavier. he wasn’t as heavy as we think:

WC with helmet during Battle of Britain (1940)

WC touring Coventry Cathedral (1940/41)

WC with a sten gun (1941)

WC giving V sign (1943)

also @ Steve(UK): yes, it is just you.

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 1:45pm

OK so I couldn’t sleep last night so I was listening to the audio of an old episode (The Sontaran two parter with Donna and Martha) and it hit me why Amy doesn’t know about the Dalek attack.

It hadn’t happened yet. The Doctor hasn’t hit a date he was aiming for yet so why are we assuming that he took Amy from 2010 when he could be way off the mark and grabbed her from 2004 before Rose has even met her Doctor. It’s not like the Tardis has a setting for “The Present Day” or anything, at least that we know of.

It might not be that easy an explanation but it does make sense.

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:43pm

anyone think that bomb’s going to go off

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:56pm

Thanks for the supporting photos, Bronxbee! Of course, I have to admit–I remember seeing the man live on the telly. I was 12 when he died.

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:14pm

I have to say that I absolutely loved this episode – I did go in with low expectations because I was concerned about the “spitfires in space”, but it was enormous fun. I’m surprised by the amount of hate that it’s gathered across some threads – I certainly preferred this to The Beast Below; at least in this you did not have unresolved story points like the Smilers in that one.

Matt is brilliant as usual:

The whole jammy dodger bluff with him saying “Ok, I know it’s a jammy dodger, but you did promise me tea!” = Pure Troughton.

Bill Patterson was great too – the bomb plot was contrived, but he sold it.

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:18pm

Ok, I thought the cracks in time were all Tristan’s fault! http://www.maryannjohanson.com/fanfiction/2008/08/tristans-father-part-5.php

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:21pm

actually, i was just a tiny bit disappointed in this episode… the whole idea of the daleks being on the side of the brits during the blitz was real wibbly-wobbly timey-whimey! and it would have been a real indicator of the whole crack in time, and things bleeding through. for it just to be a plan to bring the Doctor to admit that he was their enemy… a bit weak.

on the good side — Bill Patterson. always lovely to see him. and, i admit, watching the Doctor go off like that and whale on the dalek with that giant spanner (do they make spanners that big?) was kind of horrifying — and i believe him and know all about daleks!

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:04pm

SPACE SPITFIRES!!!! Holy crap. I reckon this entire episode came from that idea. Somebody said “Wouldn’t it be awesome to have spitfires in space?” and they wrote it around that.

I thought Danny Boy was going to turn out to be the girl’s boyfriend… I felt bad that they killed him off.

Anyway… I loved this episode. I rather like the new look for the Daleks too. The colours are interesting. Sure they look like iDaleks,… but I think the colour scheme denotes rank and function. The white one looked like it was in charge to me.

So… thoughts on next week. I hope River Song is a recurring character… although would that rather take away from Amy? Perhaps we’re in for a bit of tension there?

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 9:59pm

I think McNeice is just a big guy, so they did the best they could. And I’d prefer they cast on talent than physical similarity to the historical personage. I think he did a great job…though he’s still my second favorite Churchill after Albert Finney. But he was probably out of budget.

Tue, Apr 20, 2010 10:10pm

The Doctor hasn’t hit a date he was aiming for yet so why are we assuming that he took Amy from 2010 when he could be way off the mark and grabbed her from 2004 before Rose has even met her Doctor.

Smartphones and Twitter place Amy well after 2004.

Ok, I thought the cracks in time were all Tristan’s fault!

I could SO be writing for the new *Doctor Who* — I’m obviously thinking along much the same lines as Davies and Moffat.

Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
Wed, Apr 21, 2010 12:38am

I got a theory…But I’m better off saying nothing till I have more proof.

In the meantime…

*Cough*Dawn Summers*Cough*

Though I could be wrong.

And more food for thought: whoever said the person Amy was fixing to marry was a man? What? Amy did? Oh, what does she know? ;-)

And was Robot guy’s girlfriend really named Dorabella? Was I the only one who thought of the Terry Pratchett character Adorabelle Dearheart when that name was said? What? I was?

Oh, you’re no fun anymore.;-)

Wed, Apr 21, 2010 7:31am

Smartphones and Twitter place Amy well after 2004.

That could be where the whole “cracks in time” thing comes in. That’s why I thought the Doctor was worried by the fact that Amy didn’t know what Daleks were: he had assumed that she was from 2010 when she’s actually from late 90s or early 00s and something really messed up is happening there. Like two things that should never have touched.

Wed, Apr 21, 2010 8:48am

Rest assured, Tonio,

Was I the only one who thought of the Terry Pratchett character Adorabelle Dearheart when that name was said?

no, you weren’t. But, considering the absense of plumes of cigarette smoke….

Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:35pm

@Sarah–I thought McNeice was a bit of a lightweight, acting-wise. Played it sort of as Churchill-cum-Oliver Hardy. Shame Arthur Brough is beyond the reach of a casting call–he was my favorite Churchill. (Mr. Grainger in Are You Being Served?)

Wed, Apr 21, 2010 4:59pm

Fun episode – but not wild about the KitchenAid daleks

Pat Mustard
Pat Mustard
Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:35am

Loved the Broadsword & Danny Boy callsigns – ‘Where Eagles Dare’ obviously used to be just as much a part of Mark Gatiss’s Christmas ritual as it was part of mine..!

Happy days.

Sun, May 02, 2010 3:07pm

The Daleks are major schemers, always trying out something new. This time they go to a lot of trouble to get the Doctor to come. Have the Daleks ever faked servant-hood before? Designed a fake-human? Are they evolving? Developing personalities? They are still for exterminating every species outside of Dalek, but not so simple, so black and white in their operation, or their presentation. (I see your true colors…) Maybe they are just trying to show they cannot be out-done, even aesthetically. Not that they are being successful; I preferred the soldier dalek design to the bulky multi-colors. Maybe the top dog daleks are getting overweight and need more room…

Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
Sun, May 02, 2010 4:13pm

This time they go to a lot of trouble to get the Doctor to come.

Must. Resist. Punchline.

Dr. Rocketscience
Dr. Rocketscience
Sun, May 02, 2010 10:20pm

ack and Rose are out there somewhere, aren’t they? There’s an invisible spaceship parked in front of Big Ben, and Jack and Rose are having champagne out on the balcony.

But… wouldn’t that constitute “crossing [himself] in the timeline”?

Ugh… timey-whimey ball makes my head hurt.

Mon, May 03, 2010 10:18am

Must. Resist. Punchline.

No. Please don’t! Because that’s the first thing that ran through my head, too.


Mon, May 03, 2010 11:16pm

MAJ said:

I propose we get rid of the Moon. It’s too convenient a hiding place for invading aliens:

Holy crap, MAJ, if we had been watching this ep together we would TOTALLY BE YELLING JINX AT EACH OTHER.

Jo said:

I loved it – especially the Jammie Dodger – and more importantly my five-year-old daughter loved it too!

– You and I should arrange a playdate for our daughters :) But from your use of the term ‘Jammie Dodger’, I suspect than any such playdate would involve international travel for someone!

Tonio said:

*Cough*Dawn Summers*Cough*

YES. Thank you. First thing that came to my mind when she started in with the whole “I understand, I really DO” stuff with Bracewell. So maybe she’s, like, a self-aware Dawn?

Oh and as for the Adora Belle reference, I’m with La Sargenta- it’s a fairly different character from Amelia Pond. Then again, for all I know, Amelia is a closet nicotine junkie…

And an update regarding my continuing quest to convert kids (alliteration is fun!): My 9yr old son has FINALLY watched the Eccleston series/season and has decided that Doctor Who is, in fact, cool. Even if his annoying loser little sister likes it.

I couldn’t be prouder…

Wed, May 05, 2010 8:46pm


Regarding the Doctor crossing his own time line, well, I’m no history export, but I suppose that the Blitz lasted more than a day. The 9th and 11th Doctors could have visited different segments of the Blitz.

Regarding the mysteries around Amy, recall that we have the enigmatically titled “Amy’s Choice” episode coming up, and I won’t say too loudly what I know about what is planned for the plot of that one, but it could reveal a lot about what’s going (or it could just muddy things up more).

Regarding the new Daleks, I can only say one thing:
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Tonio Kruger
Tonio Kruger
Thu, May 06, 2010 11:58am

No. Please don’t! Because that’s the first thing that ran through my head, too.

Thanks for the encouragement, LaSargenta, but after thinking about it for a few days, I realized that there was no way I could come up with a sentence in the English language that could do justice to the image that sentence created in my head. Especially since the writer of that sentence obviously wasn’t intending to create such an image.

Though I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who had such a response to that sentence–even if it does make the whole shipping discussion MaryAnn mentions on another thread kinda pale by comparison…(“Who cares about the Doctor, Amy and this River person? What I want to know is what was up with the Doctor and those Daleks?”)

So maybe she’s, like, a self-aware Dawn?

She could be. It could be argued that the little girl in the original River Song episodes from the fourth season was one variation on the Dawn Summers theme so it wouldn’t surprise me if Moffat is pulling a similar stunt with Amy. I guess–no pun intended–time will tell.

Radek Piskorski
Radek Piskorski
Tue, Jun 11, 2013 2:24am

What a weird episode. The Doctor looks bored and Amy doesn’t act like she grew up dreaming about the Doctor. And I hated the magical powers of the pussy, able to turn the android into a human. And humanity=England again.