gendered abuse I have received

Because I think many people do not truly appreciate the level of specifically gendered abuse women on the Internet are subjected to, simply for being women daring to say anything publicly, I’m going to start collecting mine here. Just starting from now; I do not have the energy or strength to go back and gather the older stuff. I expect this post to grow quickly. (Comments on posts may have been deleted by me. Tweets may have been deleted by their original posters.)

posted March 21, 2019:

I’ve gotten a lot of abuse for my review of Captain Marvel, including the tedious “feminazi” label, but this one is an obnoxious low:

ugly unfuckable cunt

I never understand why men think calling a woman ugly or unfuckable is a negation of her intellect. But thanks to absolute human shitstains like this asshole for proving how utterly essential feminism continues to be.

posted February 20, 2019:

There’s a lot of nasty shit in response to my total rip of Alita: Battle Angel, but this is simply the most hilarious antiwoman thing so far, and maybe ever:

Sabretruthtiger — gotta love how these guys always gotta shout about how much “truth” they are slinging — thinks a woman would be jealous of manufactured robot bodies! Or of phony CGI cuteness! As if any adult woman would want to look like an artificial waif! Poor, poor dude really does not understand a damn thing about women. Which shocks me not in the least.

posted January 7, 2019:

My slam of Aquaman has really upset the fanboys (and a few fangirls, if screen names are anything to go by, which they probably aren’t). I’ve had to close comments on that thread because it was turning into a cesspool. Lowlights:

The standard witticism of “you need to get laid”:

Aquaman abuse

Accusations of being an “angry feminist pseudo lesbian,” among other tedious negative stereotypes of women who prefer to be considered human:

Aquaman abuse

(Also: “so old”? Are men “so old” at 49? Of course not.)

I’m just “jealous” of “beautiful strong women,” says a “handsome devil” (*snort*):

Aquaman abuse

The movie’s not sexist; I am, in fact, the one who is sexist:

Aquaman abuse

I’m a feminist scold ruining everyone’s fun, oh noes:

Aquaman abuse

I’m destined to be a cat lady (presumes this is a bad thing):

Aquaman abuse

I’m a “silly bitch” and a “cunt.” (“Cultural vandal” is awesome, though. I’m keeping that one.)

Aquaman abuse

(Not featured here is the non-gendered abuse my review has received. The fun never ends!)

posted May 21, 2018:

The misogynistic insults I’m getting in response to my review of Deadpool 2 are about as original as the movie itself. This one came by email (open the image in a new tab or window for a larger, more legible version):

fuckingcuck

posted Apr 11, 2018:

A comment on my review of A Million Ways to Die in the West:

whinycunt

But remember, it’s feminists who hate men!

posted Jan 01, 2018:

Getting the new year off to an unsurprisingly shitty start (a response to spoiler alert: about the ending of Spring):

justdiealready

posted Apr 28, 2017:

My review of Avatar: The Last Airbender — an animated TV show about a serene peacemaker — prompted this spew:

kickyourass

I would suggest that this level of hatred and anger does nothing but prove my point that the show is ineffectual at telling the story it wants to tell. Clearly, it had no influence for the better on this asshole (whose IP address and email address have been noted, and may be passed to law enforcement).

The clear-eyed, logical, unemotional, totally appropriately masculine feedback to my review of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is beginning to flow in (I expect much more).

dusty

I’m not sure what my vagina has to do with my review, or how a supposedly less dusty vagina would have changed my reaction to the film, but I do wonder if funkmasterrex *snort* will be suggesting to all the male critics who’re less than happy with the movie that they dust off their penises.

skwirll has no love in his life, except (presumably) from small arboreal rodents:

buildings

He also sounds like someone who probably needs to be reported to the authorities.

posted Nov 22, 2016:

I’m pretty sure the real Albus Dumbledore commented on my review of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. It sounds just like him!

bitch

posted Jun 09, 2016:

It never ends: this email greeted me first thing this morning. As you can see, this gentleman neglected, in his sputtering rage, to even tell me which review made him so angry. Not that it matters:

wench

Imagine how small and sad your life must be to spend time composing an email like this.

posted Jun 08, 2016:

This was inevitable. I trash Warcraft and the he-man woman haters crawl under from under their rocks:

cunt

vibrator

What a couple of princes!

posted May 31, 2016:

A late response to my review of Eddie the Eagle:

manhater

Remember, if you’re tired of mediocre men being treated as heroes onscreen while extraordinary women cannot get their stories told, that means you hate men. I mean, obviously.

posted May 17, 2016:

My review of The Angry Birds Movie got linked at a bunch of virtual cesspits including Reddit, 4chan, and 8chan (which is, yes, twice as awful as 4chan), which brought out the mouth-breathers:

dumbcunt

menopausingfeline

The specificity of this guy’s fantasies! I hope it helps him get off.

Anyone know what grellish means? I don’t know in which direction I’m supposed to be hurt by this…

posted April 30, 2016:

My review of Ratchet & Clank is bringing out the little boys pissing their pants over the notion of a world not dominated by men:

butchlesbian

Remember: If you’re tired of movies about men — or even about male alien cat-things and male robots — you’re probably a butch lesbian who wants to oppress and humiliate men.

Let the humiliation begin!

posted April 13, 2016:

My post about the ending of the movie Spring continues to draw vile responses:

rapethreat

I think the username “Dicksrapeyouhard” may actually constitute an actionable threat. (The commenter’s IP address has been noted.) Though I’m much more offended at being called a neoliberal, a term that this person clearly does not know the definition of.

posted February 10, 2016:

I knew my review of Deadpool would bring out the He Man Woman Haters Club, and I have absolutely no patience to deal with them at the moment, so I’ve already closed comments on that review. But not before these charming gentlemen stopped by:

souroldlady

I don’t know what it means that the only coherent bits in this comment are the insults, but surely there is significance there:

wretchedoldlady

And because abuse is always more fun when it comes from multiple directions at once, I woke up to this on Twitter this morning:

urbad

I was wondering where my husband got to. Good to know.

posted January 21, 2016:

This might be my favorite idiotic misogynist slur yet (in response to my review of The Revenant):

getmarried

That’s sort of beautiful, in an ugly way. I presume “camurcu” believes that getting married to “a real man” would somehow get me off this wrongheaded feminist path I’m on and set me on the straight and narrow. I wonder if “camurcu” actually knows any women… or any men, for that matter.

posted December 22, 2015:

Merry Christmas to me! A misogynist elf left this little gift in reply to my review of In the Heart of the Sea:

tamponcommercial

Translation:

You… you… you… [sputtering] lady, you! You girl! You female who bleeds! If only you didn’t spend so much time being so emotionally overwhelmed by tampon commercials, you would be able to think logically — like a man who doesn’t bleed — about this movie that I am calmly and rationally disagreeing with you about.

posted October 23, 2015:

This was posted in response to my review of Goosebumps. It’s nice to know that the YA demographic is itself capable of creative writing:

thundercunt

This is so creative, in fact, that I’m still trying to divine how thundercunt is intended to be an insult. Is the author suggesting that I am being a woman in too loud and unignorable a way, when I should be quiet and demure and keep my opinion to myself, like a proper lady? I’m not sure thundercunt works as an insult at all, though. It sounds like I’m being called a female force of nature, which is a good thing, as far as I’m concerned.

posted October 02, 2015:

My post examining the ending of Spring now drives a man to concern over my sex life:

angryoldhag

Remember, guys: If you disagree with a woman, the best course of action is to disparage her sexually. It will let her know you’re a strong, virile sort of man.

posted September 06, 2015:

In response to my review of Me and Earl and the Dying Girl, this charming comment:

cluckinghen

A clucking hen with fish gills sounds like a comic-book monster designed by a five-year-old.

posted August 22, 2015:

Woke up to this on Twitter this morning. Lovely start to the day:

frustratedfeminist

Dude on Twitter (now blocked, of course) thinks feminism isn’t modern, and that “frustrated feminist” is an insult. (Of course feminists are frustrated! The world stubbornly insists on remaining unfeminist.) And since when is “young” supposed to hurt a woman? Aren’t we all commanded to remain forever young or face invisibility? Make up your mind, man!

posted August 05, 2015:

I just received this charming email. No indication what prompted it:

angrylesbian

There is something very special about this cry of despair. I am confident in guessing that Jonathan is an especially privileged white man, based on his full name and place of work, as revealed by the work email he cleverly used to send this. And it’s clear from his howl that he is made very uncomfortable being asked to consider a perspective anything other than the especially-privileged-white-male one he is used to seeing in the media. And that he is completely unaware that everyone who isn’t an especially privileged white man has somehow managed to cope with this exact situation since forever.

I wonder if anyone has ever written to Roger Ebert or Mark Kermode to complain that, as straight white men, they were not relatable to anyone not standing in straight-white-man shoes.

I shouldn’t gloat, but it’s fun to see white men forced to confront the reality that theirs is not the default perspective on the world.

posted July 21, 2015:

Another fine example of gentlemanliness checks in regarding my post examining the ending of Spring:

feministdouchbag

Douching is actually incredibly bad for one’s sensitive ladyparts; douches are products designed by the capitalist patriarchy to shame women for the natural functioning of their bodies and get us to spend money we could otherwise blow on feminazi uniforms and custom underarm-hair braiding. So I’m fairly confident in saying that there’s probably no such thing as a feminist douchebag.

And lest there be any mistaking the reality that women can be misogynist, we hear from a charming and supportive lady, in response to my review of How Do You Know:

feminazi1

I presume she got her husband’s permission before logging on to the Internet, reading anything that might infect her delicate and beautiful mind, and expressing an opinion in public.

Jennie’s husband must have been feeling particularly generous, because he also permitted her to comment on my review of Minions:

pclibtard

I know she didn’t mean to do so, but I thank Jennie for pointing out just how male-dominated even cartoon characters are! Tom & Jerry. Alvin and the Chipmunks. When will it all end?

posted July 06, 2015:

In response to my post about the paltry number of female protagonists in U.K. wide releases in the first half of 2015:

dumbwhinywhore

I really don’t understand how highlighting the gender disparity onscreen makes me a whore. I really don’t understand how I’m part of the problem. (At least this guy recognizes that there is a problem.) And I really don’t understand how statistical analysis based on what’s up on the screen demonstrates that I’m dumb.

But then, I’m just an irrational girl who emotionally overreacts to everything. Unlike randy savage, who is calm and reasonable and has facts to back up his position.

posted June 12, 2015:

In response to my post examining the ending of Spring:

somekindoffeminist

Another man who thinks that feminist is an insult, and that he is wounding me by calling me one.

posted June 05, 2015:

In response to my review of Spring:

shrillbraburner

Shrill is one of those words intended to shame women into shutting up, lest a man perceive us to be unpleasant oh noes! What would we do without the good opinion of all men everywhere all the time?

Ain’t gonna happen, dude. Your discomfort is the point.

As for bra-burning: Only a man would suggest something like this. You guys have no freakin’ idea how much the damn things cost. Burn one? Might as well just light a wad of cash on fire.

(FYI, the Spring review and my post examining its ending are doing a wonderful job at the moment of freaking dudes out over the idea that a man is not automatically deserving of an amazing girlfriend just because he’s a dude. It’s almost like these guys hate me pointing out how male ego-stroking isn’t a ton of fun to watch.)

posted May 17, 2015:

Posted to comments following my Where Are the Women? ranking for 2015 films, though this was in response to a comment by reader amanohyo:

blowaman

Poor Klokinator has never has sex with a feminist, who have been scientifically proven to be better in bed.

posted May 10, 2015:

In response to my review of The Voices:

feministwhackjob

The fact that feminist is considered an insult in some quarters says it all…

posted April 13, 2015:

In response to my analysis of the ending of Spring:

whinytwat

Spoken like a man who is terrified of women with opinions.

posted April 10, 2015:

In response to my review of The Voices:

manhatingtwat

As yet, “Kieser Sozay” has been unable to explain how complaining about a certain depiction of women being murdered is equivalent to hating men. Perhaps it’s unfairly denying the liberty of men who wish to murder women?

posted April 08, 2015:

In response to my review of The Voices, from someone who apparently believes he has verbally raped me:

uptightmuch

posted April 04, 2015:

In response to my review of Get Hard:

obviousfeminist

I probably shouldn’t say this, but the crazy power I have to take toys away from angry little boys is pretty sweet. The looks of dismay on their faces when their fun suddenly disappears is beautiful.

Some general love for my work:

powerbeaver

He deleted this tweet, but not before it ended up in my in-box. (Power Beaver is now my new superhero identity.)

This one, in reply to my review of Cinderella, is, by comparison, downright old-fashioned and chivalrous:

bitteroldlady

I wonder if I would shock him if I showed a bit of ankle…

posted April 01, 2015:

In response to my review of Furious 7 (and I suspect there will be many more):

bigotedbitch

posted March 10, 2015:

In response to my review of Cinderella:

abuse3

abuse1

abuse2

abuse5

In response to my review of It Follows:

abuse4

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Jules
Jules
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 11:16am

This is absolutely disgusting. Keep doing what you’re doing, MA!

Paul Wartenberg
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 11:40am

what’s horrifying is how each of those trolls are getting a nice warm feeling inside their empty lives, having gone out of their way to TRY to humiliate a woman, any woman. It’d be pitiful if they ever deserved any pity in the first place.

Constable
Constable
reply to  Paul Wartenberg
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 3:37pm

No, what’s truly horrifying is that some of them aren’t even trolls. Ignorance isn’t blissful in the slightest.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Constable
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:10pm

Kyle Baker just tweeted a quote from the Havamal:

He who knows not and knows not that he knows not, is a fool – shun him.
Who knows not and knows that he knows not, is ignorant -teach him.

Dr. Rocketscience
Dr. Rocketscience
reply to  Danielm80
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:17pm

That seems backwards. Or maybe not. Aphorisms: not always clear.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Dr. Rocketscience
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 5:33pm

Nope. Not backwards.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 1:41pm

If we come across other gendered abuse you previously received on the site, shall we add it in the comments?

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:18pm

If you want. But I’m only going to add to the original post above going forward.

Matt Clayton
Matt Clayton
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 2:39pm

It’s appalling. I may disagree with you on some reviews, but some comments on your Cinderella review are uncalled for. The gendered abuse needs to stop, but some people don’t get it or choose not to.

You have every right to criticize a movie if it’s not to your liking and frankly, your honesty is refreshing.

On an unrelated note, I was glad to learn there was someone else who didn’t like “Avatar: The Last Airbender” either.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Matt Clayton
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 3:21pm

I’m pretty sure we’ve all disagreed with MaryAnn at one point or another; I wouldn’t be surprised if *she* hadn’t changed her mind about a movie or two in her life. I know for a fact I would love it if she would take back everything positive she said about Thor. It was, for me, a colossal bore and I would have walked out if it weren’t for the person I was with who wanted to see the whole thing.

Thing is, the gendered abuse by some isn’t ever going to stop. This is the wages of breathing while female.

althea
althea
reply to  LaSargenta
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 3:51pm

[ Thing is, the gendered abuse by some isn’t ever going to stop. This is the wages of breathing while female. ]

Somehow, this is the saddest thing I have heard in a long time.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:20pm

Well, not breathing. As long as we breathe quietly. It’s the minute we open our bitch mouths to do anything other than suck a cock that we get all the abuse we’re asking for.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:25pm

If that were the case, women who have the temerity to leave their home unchaperoned or unveiled in many places wouldn’t be attacked. Nope, I stick by breathing while female. I live in NYC and am generally pretty damn fortunate in my random luck at being born here; yet, yet…ultimately, like in that Lizzie Borden film, we are all born in flames.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 5:04pm

Oh, sure. But I was speaking specifically of the sort of abuse I receive as a result of my work here.

Constable
Constable
reply to  Matt Clayton
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 3:35pm

After my fan rage died down I had to admit that the episodes she was reviewing did indeed suck. I like the new series better, it has a female lead that is the incarnation of healthy self-confidence.

It’s always funny to me when people get mad at MaryAnn for doing her job as a critic. Nothing is more boring to me than when I walk out of a movie with the exact same impression as my friends. I like friendly arguments most of the time.

The stupid thing is that most of the above comments are completely undermined by their ugly language and thoughtless insults. I think you’re right, some people just don’t get it.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Matt Clayton
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:17pm

This isn’t about disagreement. It’s about shutting women up. Men who say the *exact* same things to do not get abused like this. Often they get no pushback at all.

Matt Clayton
Matt Clayton
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 6:02pm

That too, absolutely.

Beowulf
Beowulf
reply to  Matt Clayton
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 5:02pm

I don’t think that cohort is as small as you think it is.

Sam
Sam
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:01pm

Only 1 example for It Follows! The comments underneath your review of that are almost all horrendously misogynist and awful. (Not mine though. My comment is great)

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Sam
Tue, Mar 10, 2015 4:07pm

Lol. ;-) Of course! It’s wonderful!

Go check out her review of Scott Pilgrim for more. I think the review of The Lorax also attracted a bunch. Depending on your mood, it can be entertaining.

Bea Harper
Bea Harper
Wed, Mar 11, 2015 12:34am

I don’t always agree with your opinions, but you deserve none of this. Keep doing what you’re doing and let these people wallow in their own narrow-mindedness.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Wed, Mar 11, 2015 1:26am

From the review of The Skin I Live In from 2011:

Maryann, you have sever sexual hangups, anyone who reads your ramblings and agrees with you might as well seek psychiatric help.

Rebecca Dalmas
Rebecca Dalmas
Thu, Mar 12, 2015 12:53pm

I was thinking about this and how it even ranges from grotesque down to “benevolent.”

Example: I had what I felt to be a negative experience debating with a friend online. I sent a message saying that while I was unhappy about it, I was sure it would have gone better in person, better understood tone, yada yada. The response was nice, but did include a bunch of statements of reassurance, that I am doing fine, etc…

As much as I appreciated the friend-affirming response, I have to wonder. He didn’t respond to me as his equal, but as someone looking for his approval.

I notice these little things more as I get older.

RogerBW
RogerBW
Tue, Mar 17, 2015 12:52pm

It’s with added “oh, hey, here’s a way I can get my point across”. (The point, all too often, is “I am not actually fit for civilisation”, but still.)

Constable
Constable
Wed, Apr 01, 2015 6:09pm

aaaand… Mike holds the lead.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Constable
Wed, Apr 01, 2015 9:56pm

If it’s the same Mike. I can’t tell.

Constable
Constable
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Thu, Apr 02, 2015 12:07am

Either way it’s kind of impressive.

Nina
Nina
Thu, Apr 02, 2015 4:14am

It’s so heartbreaking and frightening that you receive enough of this to merit keeping a record of it here. :(

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Thu, Apr 02, 2015 1:36pm
MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Sat, Apr 04, 2015 10:47am

Posted it. Thanks.

Nina
Nina
Sat, Apr 04, 2015 11:14pm

Drukin the lurker is a piece of work. He calls your reviews “uncalled for” and “unwanted”, yet doesn’t stop to think for a moment that bashing someone online qualifies as “uncalled for” and “unwanted” behaviour?

Constable
Constable
Wed, Apr 08, 2015 11:09pm

These people must feel lost when commenting at male reviewers, it seems like most of their arguments are more or less “you’re a woman so what do you know.”

Danielm80
Danielm80
Thu, Apr 09, 2015 12:40am

I scrolled through Ichi’s Disqus history. Most of his comments sound like this Bloom County strip:

http://cartoonistsgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=80202

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Danielm80
Thu, Apr 09, 2015 4:36pm

I should not have clicked on that link. What a worm hole. I used to love that strip.

:-(

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Fri, Apr 10, 2015 9:22pm

Oh, that hit my radar instantly this morning. And now it’s added to the post.

Arthur
Arthur
Sat, Apr 11, 2015 3:15am

Too bad there’s no way of canceling their internet privileges.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Fri, May 29, 2015 12:15pm

Stumbled on a quoted bit of abuse from way back in your Meet Dave review. (Yes, from your link in the Human Centipede comments.) I gather you erased the original comment you quoted from, and according to Anne-Kari it was someone with Serra in their name: https://www.flickfilosopher.com/2008/07/meet-dave-review.html#comment-912390666

you’re some kind of public prostitute

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  LaSargenta
Fri, May 29, 2015 12:38pm

The comment she quoted is still there, and it isn’t abusive. It says that MaryAnn has the right to walk out on a bad movie, because she isn’t a prostitute, and she doesn’t have to give in to every demand “the public” makes.

MaryAnn’s response to the comment, however, was perfect.

“Serra” appears to be a reference to Inara Serra on Firefly.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Danielm80
Fri, May 29, 2015 12:47pm

Oh, shit. This does not bode well for me getting work done today if I’m missing stuff like that. (I thought I had read every comment thoroughly.) OK, I’m deleting my comment above. You want to delete yours?

Thank you for looking!!

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  LaSargenta
Fri, May 29, 2015 1:23pm

Nah, I’m going to edit my post so that people think your deleted comment was incredibly offensive: “How DARE you say that about women and Cthulhu?!” They’ll drive themselves crazy trying to imagine what scandalous thing you wrote.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Danielm80
Fri, May 29, 2015 2:27pm

Excellent!! Now this thread is cluttered. MAJ might want us to be begone.

BraveGamgee
BraveGamgee
Sun, Jun 14, 2015 10:17pm

Just for fun of it, I thought I’d draw a version of Angry Woman Power Beaver the super heroine. (I tried sending it in an email, but my email hasn’t been working consistently as of late). You’re honestly one of my heroes, MaryAnn. Keep the awareness of female representation in movies going!

a
a
Thu, Jun 18, 2015 3:14pm

Do all kinds of gendered abuse get posted here? Or just the special ones?a

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Mon, Jul 06, 2015 1:25pm

Ya know, once again, it is just the fact we are breathing while female. I’ve been called a whore for working on construction sites. Italians of a certain generation have called me a whore for touching them on the arm in a noisy place to get their attention, because, of course, the only reason a woman would need their attention is if she’s selling sex, right?! Not like, the pile drivers and generators and air compressors are all making it impossible to hear each other and some jackass foreman needs to be somewhere other than where he is Right Now for a concrete placement, eh?

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Mon, Jul 06, 2015 4:18pm

So much for vaunted male “logic.”

Constable
Constable
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:01am

What logic? Most popular TV shows aimed at young boys depict brainless heroes and imply that intelligence is evil. Look at Lex Luthor vs. Superman, Thor vs. Loki, Captain America vs. Red Skull. The vast majority of male heroes are dumb powerhouses who punch their problems away.

Japanese Anime of the Shounen type are flooded with this trope.

That being said, the love interests to these heroes are just as brainless as they are most of the time.

RogerBW
RogerBW
reply to  Constable
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 10:07am

Never mind “aimed at young boys” – this is nearly universal across Western culture now. Scientists and other smart people are socially awkward and physically incompetent and wear thick glasses and don’t enjoy sports like normal people and you wouldn’t want to be one of them, they work so very hard, you’re so glad you’re a beta. The occasional exceptions to this only emphasise how standard it is elsewhere.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  RogerBW
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 12:07pm

Yet another reason why I love Legend of Korra.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:30pm

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/02/Bryan-Konietzko-threadworlds-preview

This is basically Nova’s long origin story as scientific superhero. I hope she’ll be inspiring to readers of all genders and ages, but especially girls who are interested in studying and pursuing science.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Danielm80
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:31pm

I am *so* looking forward to that.

Constable
Constable
reply to  Bluejay
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 2:26am

Ha, stole the words right out of my mouth.

Constable
Constable
reply to  RogerBW
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 2:25am

It has to do with genera but overall, media that follows this trend tends to be quite popular.

For young girls it seems that the common “hero” type is either the emotionally unstable and dangerous or the passive and content.

Either way, even if you dislike shows like Korra you have to give them credit for bucking the trend however slightly they do.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Constable
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 12:27pm

How does the Hulk fit into the trope?

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Danielm80
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 12:56pm

Arguably, doing mad-scientist experiments with gamma radiation (at least in the TV and movie versions) is what got Banner into trouble. And in Avengers 2, doing mad-scientist things with Loki’s staff was a Bad Thing for Stark and Banner to do, leading directly to Ultron.

And it’s pretty obvious the Hulk is a powerhouse who tries to punch his problems away.

On the other hand, it’s also true that Stark’s and Banner’s intelligence is as much an asset as a liability, and gets them out of trouble after getting them into it.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:19pm

All true, but I think the Hulk is an interesting contradiction: Bruce (and David) Banner’s main goal in life is to not be the Hulk, while people in the audience are rooting for him to turn into a monster and smash things. It would be interesting to see a Hulk film that’s treated as a horror movie and makes the audience question its desire to see the horrible monster.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Danielm80
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:25pm

Yeah, the Hulk is basically a werewolf that people want to turn into a werewolf.

There are other comic-book versions of the Hulk in which the Hulk retains Banner’s intelligence and consciousness. That might be interesting to see onscreen.

Constable
Constable
reply to  Danielm80
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 2:21am

I think the Hulk is somewhat too aware of this trope for his own good :)

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Constable
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:19pm

Look at Lex Luthor vs. Superman

That really depends. There are stories in the comics where Superman is plenty smart (see for instance Grant Morrison’s All-Star Superman), analyzing DNA and working on robots and whatnot at the Fortress of Solitude. He’s a scientist’s son and has “super” Kryptonian intellectual capabilities. (And he memorably outwitted Luthor and Zod in Superman II.)

http://www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/how-smart-is-superman-710928/

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:22pm

And, of course, Batman is sometimes called the World’s Greatest Detective, although the movies and TV shows hardly ever emphasize that part of his personality.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Danielm80
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 1:56pm

And Spider-Man is a science whiz who designed his own web-shooters. Doctor Strange is a neurosurgeon. Hank Pym’s Ant-Man is a scientist-inventor. Mister Fantastic is a science prodigy. Professor X and the Beast are scientific geniuses. Etc…

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Tue, Jul 07, 2015 2:17pm

When I was studying screenwriting in college, the teacher pointed out that movies are a visual medium, and long stretches of dialogue don’t always translate well to the screen. I wonder if the people making films and TV shows are afraid that explanations of scientific ideas or deductive reasoning won’t work onscreen.

There are plenty of movies and TV shows where dialogue and exposition work really well, of course (Sherlock, the CSI series, most of Quentin Tarantino’s movies). It would be great to see more shows that trusted kids to follow complex ideas.

Constable
Constable
reply to  Danielm80
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 2:20am

“House of Cards” also does a great job of managing lengthy exposition.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Constable
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 6:36am

There are lots of examples aimed at adults. The Before Sunrise series is almost entirely dialogue. But are there movies or TV shows for kids that use a similar technique? In the comic books, Spider-Man sometimes defeats a villain with an invention and then explains the scientific principles. Encyclopedia Brown talks at length about how he solved the mystery. There are all kinds of written stories about the value of intelligence. (Bluejay provided a whole list.) I’m wondering why there aren’t more visual examples, outside of Korra.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Danielm80
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 5:25pm

Peabody and Sherman

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Constable
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 10:16pm

What logic?

Really? I’m talking about the stereotype that men are calm and rational (as opposed to us hysterical women who are absurdly emotional and overreact to everything). That men are (supposedly) logical and reasonable has long been the justification for their dominance in government, the sciences, and basically almost every human endeavor that isn’t about taking care of babies.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Wed, Jul 08, 2015 10:52pm

“It’s amazing that we’ve never had a female president. A big part of that is that we have men in this country that are so sexist, that they say things like, ‘We can’t have a woman president. ‘Cause you know what’s going to happen if we elect a woman, right? Once a month she’s going to have her period and have PMS and go crazy. She’ll ruin the country.’ We have men who actually believe that a woman, because of her biology, has her judgment impaired once a month. Well, I’m a man with a penis and testicles; my judgment is impaired every five to seven minutes. And I’ll be honest with you: I wake up some mornings with my judgment impaired.” — Hari Kondabolu

Constable
Constable
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Thu, Jul 09, 2015 2:28am

I’ve always assumed that this was an idea that went out of style shortly after Women finally got the vote. It may have more to do with how I was raised and where I went to school, but I never heard anyone using such a stereotype in anything approaching a serious discussion. My grade 5 teacher even used female students to keep order by putting them in groups of rowdy guys. I’d say the stereotype has swung the other way, any more guys are seen as wild cards as far as reliability or maturity goes.

But this is coming from a white male living in Canada, so don’t quote me or anything ;)

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Constable
Thu, Jul 09, 2015 3:58pm

Yeah, this all makes it totally obvious that you’re a man! :-)

No one has ever said to you, “What’s wrong, having your period?” No one has ever told you to calm down and stop being hysterical when you’re already perfectly calm and not at all hysterical. No one has ever called you a “crazy bitch” for daring to challenge a man’s perspective on anything.

Just you watch how Hillary Clinton is treated by the American press as she runs for president. I absolutely guarantee you that there will be “serious questions” about a woman’s ability to lead a nation. Never mind that plenty of other nations have had female leaders and didn’t end up in wrack and ruin.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Thu, Jul 09, 2015 5:28pm

…while I, who will not vote for Hillary Clinton unless there is absolutely no other choice, would far prefer that the press focus on the fact she’s a hawk and that her campaign funding mostly comes from a small and rich pool of donors.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  LaSargenta
Thu, Jul 09, 2015 6:07pm

There are valid reasons not to vote for Clinton. Unfortunately, the conversation will probably be dominated by all the stupid reasons.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Thu, Jul 09, 2015 7:30pm

Presidential elections always make Americans look stupid. Obama was called a socialist and a terrorist sympathizer. Bernie Sanders will be called a socialist and a hippy. The attacks on Hillary may be twice as bad, due to the sexism. But remember: Obama won, even though he was born in Kenya. So it’s possible that most Americans will ignore the mudslinging and quietly cast their votes–or sit back and make popcorn.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Bluejay
Thu, Jul 09, 2015 8:00pm

Exactly. Like how she dresses. Or how her face looks.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Fri, Jul 10, 2015 9:21am

There’s tons of legitimate stuff they could focus on. That doesn’t mean they will.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sun, Jul 12, 2015 9:20pm

I don’t want to derail, just adding this as an example: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Top-Comcast-Lobbyist-Hosting-Hillary-Clinton-Fundraiser-134215

*eyesroll*

Constable
Constable
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Tue, Jul 14, 2015 6:28am

You’re right, I should just ask how things are instead of forming my own head-canon of reality. Paradigm shifts aren’t achieved from armchairs I guess…
As far as the American press goes, I’ve pretty much stopped taking any content they produce seriously. Hillary Clinton seems about as capable as Obama based on my limited knowledge on the subject, certainly more capable than Trump. Even if she is a complete fool she’ll at least set a new precedent with her possible presidency.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Constable
Tue, Jul 14, 2015 9:12am

I’ve pretty much stopped taking any content they produce seriously.

But that’s not the issue. Whatever you consume or don’t, or take seriously or don’t, the media is producing this stuff and lots of people do take it seriously.

Constable
Constable
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Thu, Jul 16, 2015 3:59pm

I understand what you mean, saw a similar point raised in a multi-grain cheerios commercial of all places. Commercial success at all cost seems to be the flag that big media is waving around these days.

Constable
Constable
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Thu, Jul 09, 2015 2:31am

I also have a very clever sister who’s constantly fact checking me so maybe that’s why I find the concept so bizarre.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Wed, Jul 15, 2015 4:17pm

https://www.flickfilosopher.com/2015/07/ant-man-movie-review-superhero-reduction.html#comment-2136141959

Pretty low-rent caliber of troll, but, adding it here to the rollcall.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Wed, Jul 15, 2015 6:58pm

I’m not sure which comment in particular you were linking to, but that guy has been banned and the entire subthread deleted.

Beowulf
Beowulf
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Wed, Jul 15, 2015 8:50pm

Speaking of deleted….
I completely understand why the John Wayne image and the “c**t” comment had up this thread to make your point very clear, but I must confess to growing a little bit beaten down by seeing it every time I scroll down your pieces. It just makes me sad to see it again and again.
A woman as President? Sure, that’s as likely to happen as a woman becoming Prime Minist– Ah, wait.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Beowulf
Wed, Jul 15, 2015 9:16pm

I must confess to growing a little bit beaten down by seeing it every time I scroll down your pieces. It just makes me sad to see it again and again.

Now you know how Anita Sarkeesian feels every day.

Beowulf
Beowulf
reply to  Danielm80
Thu, Jul 16, 2015 2:22pm

Who dat?

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Beowulf
Thu, Jul 16, 2015 3:10pm

http://www.duckduckgo.com is your friend.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Beowulf
Thu, Jul 16, 2015 3:22pm

She’s the official popcorn brand of all Internet flame wars:

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/992526-popcorn-gifs

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Beowulf
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 4:04pm

If you still haven’t figured out who Anita Sarkeesian is, you might try watching this series of videos:

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/introspective-new-video-series-asks-gamergate-why-are-you-so-angry-7604301

Some of the arguments he makes are overly simplistic or are broad generalizations, but he makes some really important points about the culture of the Internet.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Beowulf
Thu, Jul 16, 2015 11:30am

I don’t enjoy seeing that either, but it perfectly sums up the problem.

Bluejay
Bluejay
Tue, Jul 21, 2015 3:12pm

Re Jennie Batra: I wonder how many misogynistic female commenters are actually misogynist men posing as female commenters? I don’t doubt that misogynistic women exist, but I think it’s probably also not an uncommon strategy for trolls to pose as women or minorities in an attempt to shield themselves from criticism. Batra’s insults and taunts (including the hoary old “u need to get laid” bit) seem exactly like what a male troll would say, without any nuance or details of personal experience that a woman might perhaps share when talking about women.

Of course on the internet we really only have people’s word that they are what they say they are. Still, I wonder sometimes.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Tue, Jul 21, 2015 4:09pm

It’s like asking how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop. We’ll never really know. But I do know enough women who claim to hate feminism, or hate women, that I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt.

Jennie’s comments could be a deliberate feint, of course: Even women disagree with MaryAnn; therefore she’s WRONG. But the comments make so little sense as rational arguments that they feel spontaneous and sincere. So I’m taking them at face value until we know she’s a dog.

Constable
Constable
Thu, Jul 23, 2015 5:15am

I’m sorry Jennie but fiction that puts women on the sidelines is fiction that is only using half it’s character and story potential. Read the Expanse series sometime, it features some of the most human characters I’ve ever had the pleasure of reading about… and half of them are women.

I know it hurts but the way women and, by extension, men are treated is a festering wound that needs cleaning out. Until the infection is cleared away no amount of apathy or self-willed ignorance is going to make this better. That may sound dramatic but I’ve seen what our culture has done to my sister and the thousands of girls like her. Where are the women? Well, many of them end up in a mental health system that is ill-equipped to deal with their problems. Only in the west do we tell our sisters and daughters and friends to starve themselves in the name of beauty. Only in the west do they listen.

Danielm80
Danielm80
Wed, Aug 05, 2015 8:24pm

And it’s clear from his howl that he is made very uncomfortable being asked to consider a perspective anything other than the especially-privileged-white-male one he is used to seeing in the media. And that he is completely unaware that everyone who isn’t an especially privileged white man has somehow managed to cope with this exact situation since forever.

A cartoonist named Dwayne McDuffie came up with something called the Rule of Three:

And before I knew it, I had broken what I call the Rule of Three. And that rule is, in popular entertainment, if there are three black people in it, it is a black product. You can have two black guys, although it’s a stretch. If you have three, it’s a black show. And suddenly it was a black show. And somebody, I think the artist, did a pinup, with all the black characters. And somebody leaked it and said That’s the cover! McDuffie’s gonna turn the Justice League all black! He’s getting rid of the white guys! Never part of the plan, never even considered, but it freaked people out, so they’re reading this stuff looking for proof.

But there is a hardcore piece of the audience whose back goes up whenever you go into these issues, and they don’t even realize it. And what kills me about it is that when they’re writing about it, they’re always hyperrational. You know, Look the fact is, there are more white characters, and if you picked randomly, you would end up with all white teams. And the fact that there were three black people on this team is statistically ridiculous. It’s obviously a quota.

http://lybio.net/dwayne-mcduffie-on-the-realities-of-the-black-writer-in-the-comic-book-industry/people/

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Wed, Aug 05, 2015 10:03pm

Recently I came across a book in a giveaway pile when someone was moving: Emerson in his Journals. In there, I read (among many other interesting things) the following: “Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.” (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

M
M
Thu, Aug 06, 2015 2:50am

Don’t focus on them. It’s indicative of prevailing misogyny. But the trolls aren’t the root of the problem. They are a symptom. Just like the films are a symptom that something is wrong with our culture when 50% of humanity are not represented at all in major films. Or are never shown having a conversation in films. Ie women are not shown as talking to one an other about anything. Or if they are it’s about men. I’m glad you are around to ask these questions.

Jurgan
Jurgan
Sat, Aug 22, 2015 4:45pm

I love the “sorry” at the beginning of the “angry lesbian” comment. I’m not trying to hurt your feelings or anything, but it’s my responsibility to let you know! What a burden for this white man.

althea
althea
Sat, Aug 22, 2015 5:09pm

I know it’s wrong – so wrong – but when I see a new post in this thread I smile broadly, knowing there will be something entertaining and probably very funny to come. Of course, almost immediately I think, “No no, that’s sad, we don’t *want* there to be more of these.” Still… :)

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  althea
Sat, Aug 22, 2015 5:38pm

Urg. Me, too.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  althea
Sun, Aug 23, 2015 9:42am

I do think the best way to deal with these cretins is to make fun of them…

Nathan
Nathan
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sat, Dec 26, 2015 6:51am

That’s what good ol’ Socrates did. :D

bronxbee
Fri, Oct 02, 2015 8:44pm

i don’t know why you block out some of their names. if they’re proud enough to sign their emails or tweets to you containing this language, they should be proud enough to see their names posted for a public shaming.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  bronxbee
Sat, Oct 03, 2015 12:31pm

The only one I blocked was the one that came via email (and hence wasn’t posted publicly anywhere) and included a real name and real email address. Maybe I was being unreasonably fair and generous to that person. But I’m not trying to be vindictive here.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sat, Oct 03, 2015 3:16pm

Recently, someone who was abusive to a blogger lost his job at New York Life due to his public (!) postings. They were very threatening.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Sun, Oct 04, 2015 1:20pm

The email above did not rise to anything like that level. If I had felt endangered, I would not have hesitated to pass on that guy’s info to his employer and to his local law enforcement.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sun, Oct 04, 2015 4:58pm

I gathered the blogger wasn’t the one who reported it; instead, her followers were swarming.

Bluejay
Bluejay
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 1:19pm

I’m not sure thundercunt works as an insult at all, though. It sounds like I’m being called a female force of nature, which is a good thing, as far as I’m concerned.

Insert as appropriate into this song. “Feel the magic, hear the roar!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwGgwZSgZAI

I’d watch a gender-switched version of that, actually.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 1:36pm

I was going to point out that “thundercock” doesn’t sound like an insult at all, but I think the sword imagery in this video does the job for me.

Also, “Thundercock” sounds like the worst metal band in history.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Danielm80
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 1:46pm

Also, “Thundercock” sounds like the worst metal band in history.

I don’t know — are they? You tell me.

https://www.reverbnation.com/ianunderwood

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 1:48pm

Can I resign from the human race?

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Danielm80
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 4:53pm

Heh. And they aren’t even the only ones.

https://www.reverbnation.com/thundercocktn

Very evocative song titles.

With metal bands, though, it’s too easy. You know there’s going to be a band out there sporting the stupidest name you can think of.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Bluejay
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 5:21pm

And this one wants to be P*Funk. But fails miserably.

And, ya know? I’m sick of people shitting on Nick Drake. Yeah, some pretentious people hold him up like a Fisher King; but, I also like the work of the good musicians who admired him like David Sylvian (yeah, even the stuff in Japan). And, anyhow, the guy is dead so calling him names, funny song title though it may be, isn’t cool in my book.

*grumblegrumblegrumble…backtogrindstone*

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  LaSargenta
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 5:42pm

“Pink Moon” is such a well-constructed song that I still love it after hearing it a hundred times in a car commercial.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Bluejay
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 10:06pm

This Thundercocks has way better songs. “Smurf Meat Sweat Shop”? Har.

bronxbee
reply to  Danielm80
Sat, Oct 24, 2015 1:02am

absolutely not! we need decent humans here.

Dr. Rocketscience
Dr. Rocketscience
reply to  Danielm80
Sat, Oct 24, 2015 3:24am

Why would you do that? We have the best beer.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Bluejay
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 5:19pm

Jezus onna hockey puck!

1986 is asking for their milquetoast wannabes back.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 5:09pm

I’m sorry. That just made me laugh. So did Bluejay’s and danielm80’s comments.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Fri, Oct 23, 2015 10:07pm

So much for Canadian niceness.

BraveGamgee
BraveGamgee
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sat, Oct 24, 2015 2:42pm

HEY! Not ALL Canadians…

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself

Nathan
Nathan
reply to  BraveGamgee
Sat, Dec 26, 2015 6:48am

Careful, lest you irk Captain Reverse-Racism. His wrath be ironic and chronically misunderstood.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
Tue, Dec 22, 2015 3:52pm

MaryAnn (and anyone else with a brain here), have you seen this article: “Men Explain Lolita to Me”? It is an interesting read, musing on the nature of identifying with characters in books and empathy.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  LaSargenta
Tue, Dec 22, 2015 5:35pm

She has seen it,* as it happens, but it’s worth posting again. It’s one of the best essays I’ve read this year.

*https://www.flickfilosopher.com/2015/12/from-facebook-mansplaining-male-dominated-pop-culture.html

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  Danielm80
Tue, Dec 22, 2015 6:34pm

Thanks. (This is embarrassing.) And, I agree, it is one of the best things I’ve read.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  LaSargenta
Tue, Dec 22, 2015 7:14pm

Rebecca Solnit is great. I’m a fan of her books “Men Explain Things to Me” and “Hope in the Dark: Untold Histories, Wild Possibilities.”

Dr. Rocketscience
Dr. Rocketscience
Tue, May 17, 2016 3:51pm

Re: Angry Birds. Is that what happened? That would explain the frothy mix of contentless pseudo-intellectualism and just plain contentlessness. You may as well just cull the whole thread. Even our rejoinders weren’t all that clever – we had nothing to work with.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Dr. Rocketscience
Tue, May 17, 2016 4:44pm

I think she should apply for a grant and keep the thread going as an anthropological study.

Bluejay
Bluejay
Tue, May 17, 2016 9:18pm

Google searches for “grellish” keep turning up this character, “Grell,” who is apparently “a Grim Reaper” with “long, dark-red hair, shark-like teeth, and red-framed glasses which are accessorized with a chain with skulls.” Gender indeterminate. Has a customized “Death Scythe” that works like a chainsaw. “A ruthless, bloodthirsty individual who is even willing to kill their own comrades once they lose interest in them.” “Fond of using double entendres.” Seems like kind of a badass, actually.

http://static.zerochan.net/Grell.Sutcliff.full.800492.jpg

So, I guess “grellish” means you’re like Grell? Because of your red hair and glasses and, um, shark-like teeth? It may have been intended as an insult, but I say take it as a compliment. :-)

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Bluejay
Wed, May 18, 2016 12:15pm

I’d take it as a compliment, too. But even if intended as an insult, it doesn’t seem to apply here.

Liana Lopez
Liana Lopez
Thu, May 19, 2016 10:01am

I just skimmed through the comment section of her “Angry Birds” review, sadly, there’s still a lot more abuse that hasn’t been taken into account of or deleted. Some are even much worse than those on this page. Disgusting.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Liana Lopez
Thu, May 19, 2016 1:29pm

abuse that hasn’t been taken into account of or deleted

Not sure what you mean by “taken into account.” I read every comment posted here, and I can assure you: I’ve seen the comments you’re referring to.

I did delete lots of comments. I’m not going to delete all of them. They are a horrific illustration of the state of the Internet.

Jurgan
Jurgan
Fri, Jul 01, 2016 3:59pm

re: June 9, 2016:

Good thing he titled it “a letter from a fan.” Does he know what the word “fan” means?

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Jurgan
Mon, Jul 04, 2016 1:14pm

I suspect he thought he was being funny or ironic.

Bluejay
Bluejay
Fri, Apr 28, 2017 2:04pm

RE April 28, 2017 (Avatar):

I would suggest that this level of hatred and anger does nothing but prove my point that the show is ineffectual at telling the story it wants to tell.

Ouch! :-/

I think it has more to do with a general frenzied mindset in certain fans that “If you don’t like what I like, you’re my sworn enemy,” regardless of the content of the show. Even kids’ fare with the most wholesome messages will have their lunatic “like it or die” fringe. Unfortunately.

But yeah, that seems like an actionable threat. Fuck that asshole.

Dent
Dent
Mon, May 01, 2017 10:14am

How do you know where these people are from? Did they announce it like complete tools? or are you just making an educated guess based on uses of “terms” like autist.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Dent
Tue, May 02, 2017 11:33am

How do you know where these people are from?

I don’t know what you mean by this.

Ирина Герман
Ирина Герман
Thu, May 18, 2017 10:37pm

I highly appreshiate your selfcontrol and sence of humor.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
Thu, Jul 20, 2017 1:21am

So, going through your Avatar review and the comment section, I do have to say that while the abuse you suffer from this tool and about five or six others is absolutely disgusting beyond belief, your ability to engage while asking people to engage you the moment they point out the fallacies of your review beyond a simple debate of simplistic versus detailed animated art style calls into question your credentials as a reviewer and your integrity as one as well.

With seven years worth of people pointing out the problems of your review, and the only time you responded can be boiled down to “you’re making it up and saying it’s better than it was” proves to me that even if I don’t think you deserve abuse, you also don’t deserve a fanbase nor any noteriety as a reviewer or critic.

Your condescending, smug, false maturity that you project within that review is also a point of note because it shows clear hostility in the review rather than as a response to anyone. The fact that you at best sound like you watched only the first three episodes just makes me question how much effort you actually put within your work, and if instead you are just checklisting everything you don’t like while paying only half attention – if that – to what you are meant to be critiquing.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  sagewisdom
Thu, Jul 20, 2017 3:22am

It might be worth looking up the word notoriety.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  Danielm80
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 12:30am

Hmm, you’re right, I used the wrong word. What I was trying to say is she doesn’t deserve to be a recognized reviewer going by that review because it was very poorly done as if she didn’t actually watch the show based on her inability to make note of anything past episode three or of other characters while insulting fans of the show. It lacks professionalism in all manners – seeking style and flair over critique. I felt like I just read something from a gossip column rather than a professional review.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  sagewisdom
Thu, Jul 20, 2017 3:27am

My god, y’all just keep coming. The review is seven years old, the comments there are closed, and all your criticisms (fair or not) have already been made multiple times by the commenters there (which you claim to have read). And yet you simply must, MUST find a way to pile on, while saying absolutely nothing new, and nothing relevant to the topic of misogynistic abuse.

I absolutely loved A:tLA, but some of you fans just really need to learn how to let things go.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  Bluejay
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 12:25am

This wasn’t about A:tLA, it was just the most relevent review for me. This was about her style and attitude that very well is standoffish and rude within the review while also calling into her credentials based on that review. What she writes here for her comebacks is consistent with the smug attitude I read in that review which called into question her ability to critique.

My point quite simply is that the idiots posting that bullshit were wrong to post that bullshit, but removing the bullshit garbage and putting into some actual real, non-sexist, nondisgusting words, they are very much right to call out her ability to critique both fairly and professionally. It’s unfortunate to me, that the only time she makes any note of people calling out these things is for the garbage being spewed here rather than any actual discussion she asked for.

I was merely using the A:tLA review to show why I would call into question her abilities to be a professional critic by what she showed of herself in that review. Condescending, hostile, a false sense of maturity, smug, disingenuous in asking for engagement, dismissive, and inability to admit to fault.

If these morons actually learned how to properly critique themselves instead falling on slurs like a six year old just learning the internet, they could have had a point about her. It’s unfortunate they don’t, but I still felt the need to point out that there IS a problem with her attitude and ability to critique.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  sagewisdom
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 3:45am

You clearly haven’t read the entire A:tLA thread, in which early on she engages very civilly and sincerely, and at length, with equally civil and sincere commenters. But after 200+ comments over seven years, with a healthy sprinkling of abusive butthurt fanboys who can’t bear criticism of their favorite thing, she’s understandably lost her patience.

Now she’s got commenters derailing unrelated threads to post multiple insistent comments dissing her attitude and style; who think they’re entitled to call her smug and hostile and condescending on her own website, right off the bat; who think they can dismiss her professional career and her readership because of one review that they didn’t care for – how is she expected to respond? How much more of her time and energy do you think she considers worth spending on responding politely to all these strangers trashing her from the get-go? The NERVE of you. If you ask me, with an “Aww, you’re sweet” you’re getting off a lot easier than you deserve.

Don’t like her style? Shrug it off and go read things you like. The Internet is a big place. Move along.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  Bluejay
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 4:41pm

I’ve read the entire thread. At length, she discussed animation sytles of simplistic versus complicated, dismissed the first person to declare that pointed out Aang’s denial as seeing more depth than was there, ignored everyone from there on out, the only engagement being to say she wasn’t going to continue for seasons 2 and 3 (which is fine because if it isn’t your cup of tea, it just won’t be), and then when anyone asked why she asking for engagment. She ignored points about Zuko and his arc, and never enegaged to prove she watched the entire season as she claimed.

Either way, this isn’t about what she reviewed, but HOW she reviewed in and her attitude when asking for engagment. Her review proceeded to insult her audience and showed no depth of what she reviewed to the point that you can believe that she only watched three of the episodes of the first season rather than the entire season as she claims. Again, it’s the lack of depth in her review.

Her engagement that she asked for is fairly dismssive on almost every aspect of her review which begs the question of why she asked for engagement in the first place.

It’s left me feeling that I need to point out the problems with her ability to be a critic if that’s the kind of level of professionalism she is bringing to the table. It is not just her engagement in the comments, but her inability to due to a proper, indepth review. It is her job to do it properly, not half-assed garbage here. She could hate the whole thing through it, that doesn’t matter. What matters is actually doing the review properly so her audience who is new to the show and reads it can see both her opinion but also give them enough info to make their own choices about it. She does not do this, and it left me feeling that I shouldn’t read any of her reviews because it was done so poorly I can’t trust her to actually properly review anything.

So, again, I repeat, this has nothing to do with liking or not liking what she reviewed, but how terrible her skills look – both as a critic and a person – in how she wrote it. The whole thing is style over substance, and that’s just plain bad.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  sagewisdom
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 9:10pm

MaryAnn’s reviews vary in depth and length depending on how much the material moves her to write about it. She didn’t write about A:tLA the way YOU wanted her to write about it, but she perfectly conveyed her opinion on it, which is all she needs to do. Does she really need to handhold you and reassure you, “Well, this is only how *I* feel, but you’re free to read other reviews and check out the show and form your own opinion”? She watched the show on the recommendation of some readers, she was completely unimpressed by it, she wrote a brief review with just as much energy as she wanted to spend on it. Deal with it.

Also, engagement doesn’t require her to back down from her stance or revise her opinion under public pressure. It means inviting commenters to have their say, and she’s done that. She’s fine with disagreement – I’ve expressed dissent with her a number of times, including on A:tLA, and she’s been civil in responding, without either of us changing our minds. But there’s a big difference between saying “I don’t agree with your view, here’s how I saw it” and ATTACKING her for her opinion. You don’t think you’re attacking? Instead of being satisfied with the many already-expressed dissenting points on a now-closed seven-year-old 200-comment thread, you STILL feel the need to get on here and post multiple off-topic comments putting her down. You’re determined to personally tell her “how terrible her skills look – both as a critic and a person.” What you don’t realize is that this is making YOU look terrible, as a commenter and possibly as a person. You’re not using abusive language, but you’re still coming across as a jerk who absolutely MUST put a woman down for daring to voice her honest opinion on the Internet.

I’m done here. Have fun digging your own hole.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  Bluejay
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 10:07pm

No, and you need to stop trying to defend that poor excuse for work. Her job is being a reviewer. As her career, it is her job to provide an actual review of the content that she is reviewing. She did not do this, she provided what can be best construed as a first impression, not a full season review of a series. Her opinion is her own and her thoughts on it is part of a review, but it also provided nothing in terms of letting someone looking at that review to form their opinion.

This has NOTHING to do with her being a woman, and I have made quite sure to put in the way she held herself as a professional. By the way, I have made the same complaint to other reviewers and critics doing the same thing, and many of them are men or at least identify themselves with a “he” and “him”. It does not matter what she is, what she believes in, or who she is. We are talking about her professional work.

The fact you are jumping to the sexist argument when I have made it quite clear that attacks based on her sex and gender is complete bullshit is a sign of white knighting, and is honesty, quite sexist of you. As if being a woman should automatically protect her from criticism for her attitude and work. From my perspective, she is my equal as a person, and that means she’s also equally able to be at fault and fail in her work. From the perspective she created in both the review and conversations, I can mostly find nothing but fault.

She doesn’t write it like a professional – it feels like a sensationalist writing. Looking more for site traffic rather than to provide a review of substance. It also removes any feeling I had to try and read other reviews because of how unprofessional it looked. Her job is not to entertain first, it’s to entertain second and critique first. She does not do that in that review.

It’s like people telling her to watch season 2 and 3, if this my first impression of her work, why should I want to continue? Just like her critique of the show – an understanable one in my opinion for the first three episodes besides her being incorrect about Aang’s denial – my impression of her is made quite poor.

I’m not telling her to get off the internet or to quit her job or shut down her site, I am merely critiquing what that review said about her as professional critic from someone who had not read her work or had a bias towards liking her or not. She was a mere reviewer to me and this is the impression she left me with – an unprofessional, arrogant, condescending, sensationalist covering up her faults with barely witty retorts and ignoring anything that doesn’t go to her agenda.

That is the impression that review left me of her. She might be completely different in other reviews – hell, I might even like them if I looked – but nothing in that review compels to even bother. As a reviewer and critic – and yes, they are different – it is her responsibility to keep a level of quality and professionalism in all of her work no matter what her personal feelings are. She failed in that and people need to stop protecting her for allowing that level of writing quality to be held on the site because that is the quickest way to allow for further poor quality work to get through.

She can do what she wants – she’s going to ban me anyway for criticizing her and her work, but I’d rather give a full thought on how her work came out so that maybe she might actually retain, reclaim, or start doing actual quality work worthy of her profession rather than sounding like every half-baked reviewer on a tumblr blog.

LaSargenta
LaSargenta
reply to  sagewisdom
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 10:29pm

Nah, she won’t ban you unless you start being truly abusive.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  LaSargenta
Sun, Jul 23, 2017 1:53pm

Oh, that commenter is indeed being truly abusive, and is now banned.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  sagewisdom
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 11:06pm

There’s too much hilariously wrong with your comment, I’m not even going to bother. But you really, really don’t understand how bad you look right now. Oh well. Do whatever you want.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  sagewisdom
Sun, Jul 23, 2017 1:52pm

she’s going to ban me anyway for criticizing her and her work

Nope. I’m banning you because you keep saying the same thing over and over again after you have been asked to stop, and after you have been told that you are hijacking a thread because the thread you really want to comment on has been shut down.

You’re gone.

Bill White
Bill White
reply to  sagewisdom
Sun, Jul 23, 2017 1:59pm

Be careful of this mob SJW mentality. forborr reported me to my employer for a silly tweet. These people are frightened by opposition.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  sagewisdom
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 10:25am

You are done here.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 4:25pm

Honestly? I don’t really care if you block me or not. Your attitude is quite poor to criticism even when I’ve tried to keep it fairly civil. A critic who can’t stand to be critiqued in irony at its finest.

amanohyo
amanohyo
reply to  sagewisdom
Thu, Jul 20, 2017 6:22am

Well, I think we all learned a valuable lesson: If a bunch of people recommend a children’s cartoon to you, never, ever watch it. And if you do watch it, always watch at least two entire seasons because hey, who doesn’t have ten or twelve hours to throw away on something they aren’t really interested in? And if you do watch any episodes of the show, under no circumstances post your honest reactions. And if you do post your honest reactions, never honestly respond to the angry, insecure, defensive minority of the fanbase that cannot mentally cope with a single dissenting opinion in an ocean of praise.

So, waste your time pretending to like what other people like, only voice your opinions if they don’t rub people the wrong way, and immediately cave in to any challenges. Fantastic lessons for children of all ages making their way through life. I used to stand up for myself and tell people what I honestly felt, but now I immediately change my opinion to match those of the angry strangers I meet online and life has become so much simpler! Thanks Avatar! (also a big shout out to political correctness)

Seriously, what on Earth do you fans want? For MA to lie to you? The projection is off the charts – condescending smugness, false maturity, clear hostility? You’re calling into question the credentials of a professional reviewer on her own site based on a short, seven-year old review of a children’s cartoon all while using the internet handle “sagewisdom.” The fierceness of your devotion would be comical if it wasn’t so commonplace. What’s the endgame? Every critic on the planet agrees that Avatar is a fantastic show or they get fired? If so, we should probably create a Ministry of Culture to help clarify the rules and prevent the spread of any more dangerous, subversive opinions.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  amanohyo
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 12:12am

Nowhere did I say she needed to like this or not post her feelings about it, BUT (and this is a big one) at least ensure that you prove you watched the entire season when you say you did and ensure that you at least post correct information. Oh and there’s no reason to act condescending or rude towards people in the review, ignore anyone that corrects her or does try to engage in conversation with her when she asked for it (as long as they aren’t these assholes posted here).

The fact that her attitude was to be dismissive towards anyone correcting her or to tell them that they were looking too deeply into a story that makes it extremely clear what it is conveying, is just troubling. It removes any positivity I would feel from her credentials – it comes off as ameteurish and honestly a bit childish. The fact that she constantly calls into question the ages of people liking it and dismissing it based on the age of a person also gives a sense of false maturity (that is, feeling like now that you’ve reached an age you are now too “old” for something rather than not liking something because you just plain don’t like it).

I’ve made it quite clear the problem I have with her critique and review style. She condescending in that review. She give a false sense of maturity. She ignores those that tried to engage her except for art style among the huge thread. She posted incorrect information and did not correct herself. She sounds obnoxious through the entire review.

She does not have to like it. Hell, she doesn’t even have to give it a shot. I don’t care, it’s her call. But, if she is going to post a review, at least actually do a thorough review, prove you have watched all that you’ve claimed, and at least show an effort. She could have just said, “I watched the first three episodes. They did not engage me, and I do not wish to continue. Others might enjoy this and it might improve, but the opening of this series has not hooked so I will not continue.”

Don’t ask for engagement. Ignore those begging for her to watch more because “it gets better” and if it gets too heated turn off comments. So, stop being childish just because I critiqued her and her writing style in that review (or is it wrong to reveiw the reviewer?) and the way she handled her audience in it.

Again, I’ll note one more time as it tends to get ignored: This is not about her opinion on the show, but the way she wrote it as insulting as possible while providing incorrect information about the subject matter and being disengenuous in her desire for engagement.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  sagewisdom
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 12:34am

Why on Earth would she lie about the number of episodes she watched?

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Danielm80
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 10:29am

It’s the only way these fans can imagine that anyone would disagree with them. It springs from the same impulse that compels them to order me to watch *another* 12 hours of the show.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  Danielm80
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 4:44pm

Because she didn’t like the show and didn’t want to continue but was obligated to do a review? She provides no evidence at any point that she watched it – I mean, she could have mentioned something like Bato the Water Tribe that was at the end with Aang’s dickishness or whatever just to show she watched the season (Bato isn’t part of the movie either). Her entire review lacks depth – it feels like a first impressions review, not a season one review.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  sagewisdom
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 10:24am

I am absolutely NOT rehashing everything that I HAVE ALREADY COVERED in the comments of that review. That comments thread is closed for a reason, and you are hijacking this comments thread with off-topic discussion. Stop it.

ensure that you prove you watched the entire season

And how, pray tell, is that possible? Here’s a hint: it isn’t. If you are not going to trust that what I saw is true, we have no common ground and you should stop wasting your time here.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 4:23pm

This is not about you reviewing, but the style leaving me questions about your credentials as a reviewer. And, I’ll leave it at that as my points are clearly being ignored in the face of criticism towards you (ironic, considering your job). You’re not the first critic I have taken issue with and pointed these problems out with – style over substance – and you won’t be the last.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  sagewisdom
Thu, Jul 20, 2017 10:11am

Aww, you’re sweet.

sagewisdom
sagewisdom
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Sat, Jul 22, 2017 12:32am

Well, someone has to tell you without that garbage exactly what problem I’ve found with your writing and what I feel is a failure to be professional.

Still, you don’t deserve any of that bullshit in those comments and those assholes can go fuck themselves once they stop fucking the rest of their families.

susmart3
susmart3
Tue, Jan 02, 2018 2:34am

These are loathsome people. I have no other words for it. I am sorry you are subjected to such vileness. It seems to come with the territory these days.

bronxbee
Tue, May 22, 2018 6:27pm

what is a “cuck”? a female body part i don’t know about, or is it a portmanteau word for… a crazy… duck? i am mystified.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  bronxbee
Tue, May 22, 2018 7:12pm

It’s MRA-speak for cuckold:
http://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/cuck/

Which, in this case, is being used to refer to an… outspoken, feminist woman? Apparently they’re just frothing at the mouth now, and throwing around insults indiscriminately.

I commend you on not soiling your mind with knowledge of their terms. :-)

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  Bluejay
Tue, May 22, 2018 7:55pm

I was offline for a few days celebrating the Jewish holidays. I’m a little curious how many trollish messages were posted and deleted on the Deadpool thread, but I’m afraid to ask.

Bluejay
Bluejay
reply to  Danielm80
Tue, May 22, 2018 9:50pm

I haven’t noticed any to date, actually. Maybe they’re all too busy IRL providing fuel for women’s #MeToo testimonies and calling cops on brown people for being brown.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  Danielm80
Wed, May 23, 2018 11:05am

Not many, so far.

Uncouth Angel
Uncouth Angel
Sun, Aug 16, 2020 4:00pm

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Jennie Batra was some man’s sock puppet.

amanohyo
amanohyo
Sat, Feb 06, 2021 2:10pm

I’m sure most of you have already seen this, but I wanted to leave it here because it gives me hope and determination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRSsreMR2E

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  amanohyo
Sun, Feb 07, 2021 1:55pm

Why does it give you hope? Honest question… cuz women have been responding like this forever, and it still happens constantly.

amanohyo
amanohyo
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Mon, Feb 08, 2021 2:19pm

Her response is well organized and has a Jungian flavor that I appreciate, but it’s the overwhelmingly positive reaction that gives me hope. Improvements have been so incremental and halting that I sometimes forget to step back and look at at how far we’ve come.

I’m sure many men are responding positively in large part due to the “I’m important and you’re irrelevant” competitive aspects rather than the feminist content of the message, but most also seem to understand that negaoryx is truthfully calling out cowardly sexist bullshit.

When I was a child, none of the boys/men I knew (and many of the girls/women) would ever side with any woman who called a man out in this way. First of all, she would have been ridiculed for wearing clothes clearly designed for comfort rather than the pleasure of those looking at her, and the accepted sentiment would have been, “sheesh lady, the dude really was making a joke, why get worked up? Put on some nice clothes and take that stick outta your ass and you might get a man and be happy for a change.” It makes me happy to see men finally begin to move beyond this defensive, knee-jerk reaction.

The video also reminds me that although the internet has allowed nutjobs to gather and spread their ignorance, it’s also allowed women and marginalized communities to support each other. Negaoryx’s reponse is confident and organized because it carries the force and knowledge of other feminists in her online community. Again, not a fresh insight – but I need reminding sometimes.

Of course there are still hordes of proudly sexist asshats wandering the internet and society still has a long trek ahead, this is just a reminder to myself that things are slowly getting better. I forgot that progress was possible during the past few years.

MaryAnn Johanson
reply to  amanohyo
Tue, Feb 09, 2021 4:29pm

I see what you mean. Perhaps the next step will be men calling out other men who behave like this, and not requiring that a woman do so first.

Danielm80
Danielm80
reply to  MaryAnn Johanson
Tue, Feb 09, 2021 5:42pm

I did enjoy Mike Birbiglia’s stand-up routine about the “just joking” defense, which gets paraphrased in this video. I actually thought that her version was funnier and more expansive than the original, though.

SailorSerena
SailorSerena
Sat, Mar 27, 2021 6:21pm

I think these people got lost on their way to Reddit.

SailorSerena
SailorSerena
Sat, Nov 20, 2021 12:51am

Learn to appreciate movies that don’t support your feminist ways.

Never.